Comment by FrontierProject

>that most American voters aren't so perturbed by what's happening in Gaza as to want an administration that would be at least as effective in reeling in the Israelis as the Biden administration was.

It's not hard to be at least as capable as somebody who's completly incapable. Think what you will of Trump, but in one meeting he had a solid deadline for implementing the ceasefire agreement the Biden admin has had floating since May. There weren't even any changes to it, so what the heck has Biden been doing?

lenerdenator 4 days ago

If that cease-fire holds, I'll be very surprised.

More likely than Biden's incompetence is that Bibi now has a variable solved for in the geopolitical calculus: the American election now has a winner. He finds a kindred spirit in Trump and thinks he is now working with an American administration that will let him do whatever he wants without even the appearance of trying to rein him in. There is no Rashida Tlaib in Trump's party.

But that's on a different subject than the greater thread discussion.

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bbqfog 4 days ago

People in Gaza are celebrating the proposed ceasefire and Zionists are angry about it. I’m no Trump fan but it does indeed look like he’ll be better than Biden (who was the worst).

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- lenerdenator 4 days ago
  
  The people in Gaza are probably desperate enough to accept anything at this point and everyone involved has a long history of going back on their word.
  Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and supports West Bank settlements. To suddenly give an Iran-backed militia a win goes against literally everything in the grand scheme of things.
  
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  briandear 4 days ago
  
  Are they desperate enough to overthrow Hamas?
  
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spencerflem 4 days ago

I'm with you that Biden has been doing worse than nothing, and has been stringing us along with this ceasefire that will never come, while at the same time using UN to block any sort of resolution.

But don't kid yourself that Trump is better. He supports the settlement of the West Bank and has recognized Jerusalem as exclusively Israeli.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-cabinet-is...

The Republicans are just as on board with the genocide as the Democrats are, if not more.

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SpicyLemonZest 4 days ago

The question is whether it's a ruinous empathy thing. It's much too early for me to be confident that the current ceasefire is actually going to work better than the last one. But if it does, it's a pretty strong data point for the idea that credibly taking either side is better for the Palestinian people than flailing around trying to support both.

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- spencerflem 4 days ago
  
  Is this in favor of a one state solution, with Israel being the one state?
  genuinely confused - Biden has not been remotely empathic towards Palestine.
  
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  SpicyLemonZest 4 days ago
  
  Biden has been as empathetic towards Palestine as it's possible to be without opposing Israel. That's how we ended up with things like the crazy floating aid pier. Trump's position is much less empathetic, complete with overt threats of "all hell to pay" if they don't release the hostages soon, and if the current ceasefire holds then it's hard to avoid concluding it's better for the Palestinian people overall.
  
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