YetAnotherNick 2 months ago

Many commenters on HN have this weird idea that if Taiwan is slightly ahead of competition, US would defend Taiwan against a country with nukes. Or that TSMC superiority is Taiwan's national security issue.

  • sofixa 2 months ago

    > Many commenters on HN have this weird idea that if Taiwan is slightly ahead of competition, US would defend Taiwan against a country with nukes. Or that TSMC superiority is Taiwan's national security issue.

    Well... TSMC is definitely a component of Taiwan's national security. It's called the "Silicon Shield" for a reason.

    And the US definitely has more reasons to go to war, and more importantly, threaten war to prevent one breaking out, over Taiwan if it knows there will be a massive economic impact.

    And China definitely knows that if Taiwan is important for the US, it's almost certain the US would defend it.

  • UltraSane 2 months ago

    The US would probably defend Taiwan if the CCP invaded it. I don't think we would ever use nukes.

    • nwatson 2 months ago

      Taiwan would strike Three Gorges Dam and kill millions. CCP should focus on Siberia.

      • maxglute 2 months ago

        No they wouldn't, TW doesn't have the ordnance or ability to deliver said ordnance to structurally damage a gravity dam, especially one size of three gorges. They're much better off hitting PRC coastal nuclear (something that worries PRC planners), either way, it's suicide by war crime.

      • mainecoder 2 months ago

        You cannot destroy the Largest Dam ever built with conventional Ballistic Missiles but you can level the dam with a nuclear weapon, in which case why use the nuke on a dam why not use it directly on population centers.

        • UltraSane 2 months ago

          because destroying the damn would kill a LOT more people. Millions.

      • api 2 months ago

        Honestly, if China wants to just go take that Eastern half of Russia they are welcome. Nobody would stop them and much of the world would cheer.

        I've wondered if China encouraged Russia to invade Ukraine to weaken them so they can become a Chinese vassal state to supply raw materials.

    • sashank_1509 2 months ago

      Doesn’t TSMC building a plant in US, offset the need for US to invade Taiwan. Perhaps Taiwan expects US support out of goodwill, but I think Taiwan overestimates how much goodwill drives US politics. Taiwan might have had a better chance of getting support, if it maintained a monopoly on circuit production.

    • YetAnotherNick 2 months ago

      You think if say US bombs all the CCP's planes, CCP would sit silently and accept defeat? Same thing happened with Ukraine. NATO couldn't escalate the war at any cost, so they can just play safe and only do things that don't risk escalation.

      • ceejayoz 2 months ago

        The NATO strategy in Ukraine hasn’t been great for Ukraine, but the old cold warriors of the 1980s would be pissing their pants to find how well it worked against the Russians.

        Wiping out significant portions of their army, navy, and air force for a fraction of a single year’s budget and not a single American death?

      • XorNot 2 months ago

        Nuclear weapons don't win wars though. Once you launch, you're dead. The retaliation will guarantee your own destruction.

        The Cold War led to the arms build up it did because of exactly this paradox: on close inspection, it seemed unlikely the US would lose the Eastern seaboard cities just to protect Berlin, for example.

      • varjag 2 months ago

        If the Russia case suggests anything it's that yes, they'll sit silently and absorb the losses behind all the nuclear bravado.

    • ekianjo 2 months ago

      Defend with what exactly?

      • UltraSane 2 months ago

        Taiwan from the invading CCP military.

        • ekianjo 2 months ago

          You did not answer my question. I meant defend Taiwan with what means?

  • gadders 2 months ago

    Why do you think it's a weird idea? It's a strategic asset as much as oilfields are.

    • YetAnotherNick 2 months ago

      Because Samsung and Intel would probably close the gap by the time the war is done. They are just 2-4 years behind with the gaps already closing in.

  • jmartin2683 2 months ago

    They want war? Someone else’s, at that?

    Crazy.

    • sghiassy 2 months ago

      I think it’s the opposite. They want the US to defend Taiwan

    • UltraSane 2 months ago

      The CCP keeps saying that Taiwan is part of China.

  • corimaith 2 months ago

    [flagged]

    • jart 2 months ago

      Both countries are officially named China, so only one can be right.

      • XorNot 2 months ago

        At an international politics level, what is "officially" called what doesn't mean much.

energy123 2 months ago

Some people are against industrial policy (like the CHIPS Act) because they don't believe that market failure exists.

Some people are against Biden/Dems.

Some people are clueless about the foreign policy and the geopolitical reality in Asia and take the status quo regional power balance as a given.

rtkwe 2 months ago

Not on the I want it to fail side but my main question is why we put this water intensive industry in Arizona instead of further east where water is less stressed as a resource?

Seems like it would be way better off being somewhere in the eastern half of the country or at least not in the Southwest.

  • TrapLord_Rhodo 2 months ago

    water is a non-issue. The main issue in deciding where a factory should go is which state will give you the most to do it.