Comment by Over2Chars

Comment by Over2Chars 4 days ago

10 replies

The part about the receipts I had missed.

Although volunteering information about anything seems suspect.

And it also seems to be a matter of DEA dropping the ball, but perhaps they foot drag knowing that anyone with illegal money isn't going to ask for it back, as they'd have to explain why they had it.

I wonder if Elon is going to suggest we defund the DEA as part of his "DOGE"?

UncleMeat 3 days ago

While you are legally allowed to refuse search of your vehicle, in practice people get brutalized for standing up for their rights all the time. The exact boundaries of your legal rights are also not clear to most people (even many lawyers) so you risk refusing an actually legal order and ending up in even more trouble.

Plus, a cop can just call for a canine squad and then get the canine to signal and then use that as probable cause for a search if they really want to fuck your day up in a way that is totally legal.

This makes the idea that you should just confidently advocate for your 4th amendment rights actually pretty unappealing.

  • hiatus 3 days ago

    > Plus, a cop can just call for a canine squad and then get the canine to signal and then use that as probable cause for a search if they really want to fuck your day up in a way that is totally legal.

    Can't make you wait around for a canine without probable cause. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-ru...

    > While officers may use a dog to sniff around a car during the course of a routine traffic stop, they cannot extend the length of the stop in order to carry it out.

    • UncleMeat 3 days ago

      Sounds good, but doesn't work. They remanded back to the 8th Circuit, which found that Rodriguez's stop and canine search was legal.

    • Over2Chars 3 days ago

      At least on TV, while the first officer is "running their plates" a second k9 unit rolls up and the dog jumps around and pops the bad guy with his 50kg of contraband.

      Or at least that was the way it was shown on this one episode of whatever show I saw it on.

potato3732842 3 days ago

>I wonder if Elon is going to suggest we defund the DEA as part of his "DOGE"?

I hope. Bespoke single police agencies only serve the purpose of sucking up resources to enforce stuff that a broad police agency (like the FBI) would never or could not justify allocating so many resources toward.

You get these agencies like the DEA that build up this headcount and budget and then go justify it by engaging in all sorts of bad crap. The FBI would rarely (I'm not gonna say never) waste time going after college kids for making "more than personal use" amounts of acid. If they want to waste man hours on petty things to justify their budget they have a whole laundry list of more legitimate petty things to enforce first.

  • Over2Chars 3 days ago

    Well, with all due respect to the heroic efforts of the vast majority of the DEA, if we judge them by their total success or failure, I'd have to go with "failure" as far as the US is concerned.

    Being a massive drug market with people dying from drugs on a daily basis is not exactly a shining indicator of success.

    That said, for the DEA to succeed we'd need a massive amount of coordination - which is to say real leadership on this issue, I think which may be beyond the DEA by itself.

pizza234 4 days ago

> Although volunteering information about anything seems suspect.

I don't live in the USA, but to my understanding, it’s common for individuals from minority groups to be taught by their families specific behaviors for interacting with police, such as how to position their hands. I wouldn’t be surprised if this also includes notifying the police about personal belongings that could potentially raise suspicion.

  • scarface_74 4 days ago

    As a minority, you are taught where to hold your hands. But we taught our sons - “don’t talk to the police when questioned”.

    We also taught them in case they did have to call the police in case of something like a home break-in, describe themselves. We lived in a city that was less than 4% Black and was a famous “sundown town” as late as the mid 80s

YawningAngel 4 days ago

It might be naive, but I don't think it's suspicious to be forthright with the police