Comment by GrantMoyer

Comment by GrantMoyer 4 days ago

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> Also, I’m not super happy about the extreme views on race, sex and religion that are going through the school system.

Maybe I'm living under a rock; what extreme views are going through the school system?

protonbob 4 days ago

You might be being facetious and trying to imply that the political views taught in school are actually moderate, but I'm going to take the question literally anyway.

One example is the idea that a bio man should and must be called a woman if they declare themselves to be so. Regardless of whether or not you agree, it is an extreme viewpoint that has only just now become acceptable to believe in terms of history.

csa 4 days ago

> Maybe I'm living under a rock; what extreme views are going through the school system?

Not op and not taking a stance on any of these here, but:

1. Critical race theory (CRT)

2. Gender fluidity

3. Endorsement and use of Christianity/Bible in public schools

These are all hot-button issues in education today, at least in some states and districts.

  • NoGravitas 4 days ago

    No one is learning about Critical Race Theory anywhere other than law school (or possibly undergraduate sociology classes that pre-law students would be likely to take). It's a heterodox thread in legal scholarship. Whatever you think primary schoolers are learning about race, it's not Critical Race Theory.

    • csa 4 days ago

      > No one is learning about Critical Race Theory anywhere other than law school (or possibly undergraduate sociology classes that pre-law students would be likely to take).

      Yes and no.

      You are correct that almost no one is learning full CRT legal theory in K-12.

      That said, CRT principles have expanded beyond legal studies, and they have certainly made their way into classrooms. Here is an example of an article that makes a case for it:

      https://www.uclalawreview.org/yes-critical-race-theory-shoul...

      I’m not sure if you know many education academics, but I assure you that CRT and derivatives thereof have been some low-hanging fruit in education research for over two decades (i.e., relatively easy to get published).

    • hyeonwho4 4 days ago

      There were two definitions of Critical Race Theory. In 2021, the National Education Association adopted a Business Item [1] to "Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT) -- what it is and what it is not; [...] and share information with other NEA members as well as their community members."

      This included "Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project." [1]

      Which is pretty wild, because that's a great summary of everything conservatives were objecting to in social studies classes, and provides a good wording for Christopher Rufo's redefinition of CRT.

      However, I agree with you that this was a very recent redefinition of the term Critical Race Theory: As far as I can tell, the application of legal scholarship's CRT to education scholarship in the late 1990s was focused on the Critical analysis of teaching outcomes [2, 3, 4], especially racial discrimination in school districts. This seems to have been focused on administrative things rather than course content. There was a subsequent movement around 2016 to bring "Critical Race Praxis" into school districts, which again seems to be focused on removing inequities from school administration and teaching counter-narratives to "K-12 leaders". So I think that this is where conservatives found the term and decided to repurpose it to label the antiracist content which was being incorporated into social studies courses.

      [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210705234008/https://ra.nea.or...

      [2] https://www.gse.harvard.edu/ideas/edcast/22/02/state-critica...

      [3] https://thrive.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/Just%20what%2...

      [4] https://ed.fullerton.edu/lift/_resources/pdfs/multicultural_...

      [5] https://www.infoagepub.com/products/Envisioning-a-Critical-R...

  • dyauspitr 4 days ago

    CRT is a boogeyman. It’s not ”taught” anywhere.

    • protonbob 4 days ago

      Its principles are most certainly taught. They were 10 years ago in my high school. Come to find out these were from CRT sources.