kombine 5 days ago

No grievances that Russia might have had can justify this devastating war, and total annihilation, and mass murder.

  • whimsicalism 4 days ago

    not the point of my comment. war is never good, whether it is Russia invading Ukraine, China invading Taiwan, or the US invading Iraq+Afghanistan - everyone should focus on finding common ground and understanding the perspectives of others

DennisP 5 days ago

Addressing those "grievances" hasn't worked out too well for Russia. They complained about Ukraine moving in the general direction of NATO membership, and got Sweden and Finland as actual new members of NATO. Finland has a longer Russian border than Ukraine, and Sweden has a regional navy that pretty much controls the Baltic Sea. Both countries were pretty firmly neutral before the war.

  • bllguo 5 days ago

    and that has what, exactly, to do with the legitimacy of said grievances?

    • DennisP 5 days ago

      Because for all of Russia's apocalyptic rhetoric about the dire consequences of NATO membership on their borders, they've done nothing significant about Finland and Sweden actually becoming NATO members while stepping up their military spending. By comparison, a little political noise about Ukraine maybe joining NATO someday is much less of a provocation, which makes it seem unlikely to have been Russia's actual reason for invasion. And from any reasonable ethical perspective it's certainly not a legitimate one.

      • andy_ppp 5 days ago

        The NATO stuff is such propaganda, the idea has always been imperialism and to take the people and turn them into Russians.

bllguo 5 days ago

in what sense could you _possibly_ argue this

from both legal and realpolitik lenses the Taiwan issue is fully legitimate. your country has done far worse to Cuba for far less. Even setting aside the historical context and the Chinese civil war, what is illegitimate about not wanting an antagonistic and belligerent foreign power installing weapons in an island mere miles off the mainland coast?