Comment by crackercrews

Comment by crackercrews 5 days ago

The second car definitely entered on yellow. It doesn't matter if they could have stopped. They have the right to enter on yellow.

The first car passed the first line when the light was yellow, but not the second line. The area in between is the crosswalk. I can't tell if "enter the intersection" means "enter any part of the area past the line where you're supposed to stop" or "enter the part past the crosswalk, where the roads actually intersect".

Does anyone know what the rule is?

toast0 5 days ago

It's well spelled out in vehicle code 21453 (a)

> A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision (b). [subdivision b allows for turns on red]

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....

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prmoustache 5 days ago

The fact people can't figure what the rules are is a problem in itself vs a stop sign where everybody knows you should stop.

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crackercrews 5 days ago

I know where to stop. I stop before the crosswalk What is less clear is what the word intersection means in a technical sense.
Complicated or ambiguous rules are a part of life. If the idea is to get rid of anything that requires lots of rules, then we'd all still be on foot. No cars, no horses, no bikes. Would that be a net improvement?

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