Comment by SketchySeaBeast

Comment by SketchySeaBeast 6 months ago

25 replies

I don't know that getting more trees than you lost is a useful or effective measure against climate change. It's a good thing, certainly, but I imagine the amount of carbon we're pumping into the atmosphere requires more than a steady state of trees. I wonder how much of the world we'd need to cover with trees in order to offset our carbon production, certainly more than we've had during modern civilization.

internet_points 6 months ago

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-many-new-trees-would-we-... says a new forest the size of New Mexico might offset the US's emissions. Or not. It depends. But first thing to do would be not to cut down the existing ones.

  • SketchySeaBeast 6 months ago

    They say it would take a forest the size of New Mexico "to account for one year of American emissions" - given that trees both process CO2 during respiration and act as sinks when they grow, I can't tell if they'd be able to offset those emissions the next year as well or if we'd need a new forest.

    • nfw2 6 months ago

      Trees produce CO2 during respiration and intake it during photosynthesis. The carbon captured during photosynthesis will be offset to some degree by the tree's own need to consume glucose.

  • [removed] 6 months ago
    [deleted]
baq 6 months ago

Basically we need to grow trees as fast as possible, cut them down and bury them deep, exactly the opposite of what we’re doing when mining fossil fuels. No wonder there’s exactly zero people doing that.

  • pfdietz 6 months ago

    There's been a proposal to bury them not-so-deep, but saturated with salt to prevent decomposition. It's not necessary to sequester the carbon forever, just on a time scale for natural absorption of the CO2 into oceans and then into carbonates (which is something like 100,000 years, IIRC).

    • ieidkeheb 6 months ago

      So that someone in the future can discover these reserves and use it as fuel?!?!!?!

      • vixen99 6 months ago

        No, by then it's at least conceivable that cold fusion will by then be a reality. If an individual cracks this problem maybe they'll offer a paper ending with a comment akin to Watson & Cricks 1953 paper on DNA. "It has not escaped our attention that ..." Or words to that effect.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGgovWTBoWY (Hossenfelder) https://lenr-canr.org/ (Library)

        • pfdietz 6 months ago

          It's wonderful how pseudoscience is a renewable resource. Ghosts, then ESP, then pyramid power, and now cold fusion.

  • Atiscant 6 months ago

    Biochar is exactly doing that and is an active area of research in many places. There is several ongoing projects also showing that biochar can improve soil quality and crop yields.

thfuran 6 months ago

We need to be building a mountain range out of diamonds.

  • internet_points 6 months ago

    The nice thing about making diamonds as opposed to coal or bio-oil is that it's quite hard to burn the diamond, so less chance of someone getting tempted into using these enormous reserves that are just sitting there, depreciating, to fuel the helicopter of their bitcoin-mining luxury cruise ship or create an ultra-fast pizza delivery service using rocket launchers

  • SketchySeaBeast 6 months ago

    Can you imagine the extraterrestrial archaeologist trying to explain that?

    • bluGill 6 months ago

      No - stupid slow speed of light stops so many interesting science fiction imaginations.

      • lupusreal 6 months ago

        It's true that the speed of light prevents it from actually happening, but you should still be able to imagine it.

tomrod 6 months ago

Depends on where the carbon goes. Into a home? Locked up for a long time. Under a cooking stove? Released.

  • SketchySeaBeast 6 months ago

    But does it help worrying about where we're putting logs while we're burning fossil fuels? We need to plant enough trees to offset all the trees we're burning, but also all the gasoline, oil, and natural gas we're burning as well as all the concrete we're producing. The math seems like it'll never balance.

    • argiopetech 6 months ago

      I did the back of the napkin math below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42697255

      Barring mistakes, it balances if we had avoided reducing the planet's vegetation by 20% since 1900. So much for that.

      That's obviously not "the" solution, but it seems like reducing fuel burn while increasing forestation would benefit us beyond what is commonly expected.

      • SketchySeaBeast 6 months ago

        Interesting math, so it is mathematically possible. Important to note, 1 billion hectares is just over the size of all of the United States.