spidersouris 5 days ago

Thanks for the wiki -- I have always been interested in hardware hacking but I have always felt overwhelmed as I didn't know where to start. I believe this kind of resource can greatly help with that, especially the case studies.

However, I can't help but feel that a major part of the content is LLM-generated, or at least LLM-rewritten. It feels off and uninteresting to read, honestly. Is it the case? To support my case, I see that the case study page (https://www.hardbreak.wiki/introduction/case-study-led-to-a-...) has very similar paragraphs next to each other, the second one seemingly being the "genuine" one, and the first one being the LLM-rewritten version.

I'm not against using LLMs to help fix typos or reformulate things, but you should definitely keep some of your style. The LLM that you used (if you used one) made the content super bland, and as a reader, I'm not really incentivized to browse more.

  • Joel_Mckay 5 days ago

    Get a ham radio technician license, and you may develop an intuitive perspective on most electrical engineering concepts.

    i.e. the physics lab derivation of the core EE tool set is unnecessary if you understand what the models are describing.

    AI is slop in and slop out... and dangerous to students... =3

    John Shive's Wave Machines is where every student should start:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k

    • TeMPOraL 5 days ago

      > Get a ham radio technician license, and you may develop an intuitive perspective on most electrical engineering concepts.

      May. I managed to get one without developing much intuition for most EE concepts, unfortunately.

      • 0xEF 4 days ago

        Were you also completely turned off by the community?

        I ask because I got into it about 15+ years ago for the purposes of helping with emergency comms and learning more about electronics, but found the community extremely hostile toward new comers that did not have money to burn on expensive gear. I ended up just giving up on it after a few years after investing in a bunch of Arduino stuff and learned far more about EE than I ever did playing at radio. The concept of the Elmer seemed dead, leaving nobody who wanted to show the new guys the ropes.

        From what I understand, maybe that has changed in recent years?

        Weirdly, I did take something away from my experience with ham radio; I know an awful lot about the weather and atmosphere now, which has turned into a lasting interest.

      • Joel_Mckay 5 days ago

        Did you mean you don't understand the equations/theory, or are having difficulty applying the concepts to design circuits?

        In the first case, install LTSpice (free from Analog Devices), and head here to run down the basics:

        https://www.youtube.com/@FesZElectronics/videos

        And in the latter, go though common basic designs analyzing how they work:

        https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofelectroniccircuits...

        https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofel02graf

        https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780070110779

        https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofel0006graf

        Then try your own designs combining properties of several designs. Start with simple blinkers and buzzers at first... Try to avoid Arduino designs until you've done a few 555, transistor, and opamp circuits first. =3

    • RobotToaster 4 days ago

      At least in the UK you can't if you're a linux user, the software they use to spy on you while taking the test is windows only.

      • Cthulhu_ 4 days ago

        Well first off, the certificate comes with certain guarantees, and they can't give those guarantees if they can't prove you didn't cheat on the test. "spy on you" is absolutely correct, but a bad faith phrasing. That said, I did my AWS test at a test / exam center where there's isolated computers and cameras to validate that there was no cheating.

    • CamperBob2 5 days ago

      dangerous to students

      It's fatally dangerous to students who ignore it or dismiss it out of hand. That much is already certain.

  • raywu 5 days ago

    Case in point, under Case Study > Reconnaissance > OSINT, these two paragraphs follow one another - same content but different wording.

    > The first step in any hardware hacking project is research. I started by Googling the router model number, "ASUS RT-N12 D1", and came across an article about a similar model, the ASUS RT-N12+ B1. The article mentioned that the device had an open UART interface allowing unauthenticated root access. However, it provided no exact details on how to exploit this or where the UART interface might be located. Could my router model have the same vulnerability?

    > In the first step I googled the model number for my router "ASUS RT N12 D1" and I came accross this article. It shows that a similar model the "ASUS RT N12+ B1" appears to have an open UART interface, which gives unauthenticated root access. It does not show how to exacltly abuse this or any details where to find the UART interface. Let's see if our router model may have the same vulnerability!

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abetusk 5 days ago

Unfortunately not Open Source, in the common definition of the word.

From the license.md [0] page, under "Terms":

> Exemptions: Commercial Use: For inquiries regarding commercial use, please contact the author.

[0] https://github.com/f3nter/HardBreak/blob/fd3d2d4cd17624a3f62...

  • CaptainFever 5 days ago

    Thanks for your work in pointing this out! Like a trademark, we have to defend this term if we want its meaning to persist.

    I don't have specific sources, but to those curious, the gist is this: open source, or more accurately free software or free culture, is not about the creator. It is about affirming the rights of the user, to use the work in any way they wish, which includes selling it.

    A common phrase to correct this unfortunate misconception is "free as in speech, not as in beer". The price tag is not the issue (you can actually sell free work, like by commission or by phsyical copies), the freedom of the user is. This includes the freedom to reuse the content in a commercial manner. Just about the only freedom that may be restricted is the freedom to restrict others.

    You may disagree with this, but this is just the history of the free software, free culture and open source movement, which built a significant portion of the software world we have today.

  • hw-f3nter 5 days ago

    I just don't want anyone to copy the content and sell it. It's meant to be freely accessible to everyone.

    • nerdile 5 days ago

      That's fine. It's just not open source. Don't call it open source if it's not.

      Definition: https://opensource.org/osd

      • SomeoneOnTheWeb 5 days ago

        Not everyone agrees with this definition. If the source is open to read, for me it's open source. The website you linked is an opinionated view on what open source is.

      • Llamanator3830 5 days ago

        This reminds me of the discussion of whether if open source AI models are open source or not, when the training data is not available to the public.

      • megous 5 days ago

        I mean this lists MIT license as opensource license, when it's clearly not, because it doesn't at all mention source code. The license just talks about "software".

        Anyone is free to publish only binaries+docs under this license, if they wish.

        So the website is not very accurate.

      • 38 5 days ago

        that definition is wrong, really by just common sense

      • themaninthedark 5 days ago

        >Free and open-source software (FOSS) or free/libre and open-source software (FLOSS) is openly shared source code that is licensed without any restrictions on usage, modification, or distribution. Confusion persists about this definition because the "free", also known as "libre", refers to the freedom of the product, not the price, expense, cost, or charge. For example, "being free to speak" is not the same as "free beer".

        I generally think of open source as where I can see the code and freely modify it, not necessarily freely commercialize it on my own.

    • ajot 5 days ago

      Have you thought of a Creative Commons license? You can have a Non-Commercial clause, while letting others to cooperate with you and remix the information in your site. CC licenses are IMHO better suited for documents than things like GPL, BSD or MIT.

      https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/

      • snvzz 5 days ago

        Note that the CC -ND licenses are not Open Source either.

        • ajot 4 days ago

          That's a fair comment, maybe OP should change the Open Source part after all, even if the license is changed.

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  • 38 5 days ago

    wrong. your definition essentially means "business friendly", the wiki is open source in every way that matters, except for "lets make money off this persons free work"

hi_hi 5 days ago

This is great timing. I recently purchased a micro:bit for learning with my young daughter (who loves it) and found I was very quickly out of my depth with even the most rudimentary customisation for the board.

My draws have now exploded with breadboards, alligator clips, jump wires, LCDs and various other electrical components and I'm in desperate need of understanding the fundamentals of how all these things work.

There's something magical and addictive about being able to control your own hardware components from your own code though. We've had great joy from simply lighting up LEDs and programming our IR receiver.

amatecha 5 days ago

A minor nitpick, but it would be great if you put a description of the site in the meta/og description[0] so people get an explanation of what the site is when linking elsewhere, e.g. the same "This page is a free and open-source wiki about hardware hacking!" as is on the page itself. I just linked the site in Slack and it just says "hardbreak.wiki / Welcome to HardBreak | Hardbreak" which is pretty terse. I imagine there might be some setting in your wiki software that might populate these tags automatically (moreso than they already have), with any luck!

[0] https://ogp.me/

  • hw-f3nter 5 days ago

    You are right! I encountered the same problem. Unfortunately, I didn't find a setting in Gitbook to change the preview text, just the preview image. It seems like it just takes the name of the first page 'Welcome to HardBreak' and adds the site name 'HardBreak' at the end. So I'd have to change the name of the first page, but a name like 'HardBreak - a Hardware Hacking Wiki' or something similar would look weird on the website, I think. I haven't found a good solution for that yet.

    • sen 5 days ago

      I think having it in the homepage title is fine. I do it for most sites I build for exactly this reason.

      “HardBreak - Open-Source Hardware Hacking Wiki”

      Looks fine as a title, and helps for embeds/sharing.

david_shaw 5 days ago

This is great.

I've always been on the application security side of things, but I'm increasingly interested in hardware hacking. Through some cursory research, I learned that there are a few scattered resources, but the best way to learn is to really work with someone who knows what they're doing.

Putting all these guides, roadmaps, etc. together in a single place is a great resource that I'll definitely use.

Thank you!

xvilka 4 days ago

Instead of `strings` for the search[1], I recommend using `rz-bin`[2] and `rz-find`[3] tools, which offer more flexibility, searching strings outside of the data sections, searching for Unicode and less common encodings, and built-in cryptographic keys search. There are also `/` (search) commands in the Rizin itself. As for the entropy, there is a configurable and interactive histogram, see `p=` and `p==` commands, e.g. `p==e`.

[1] https://book.rizin.re/src/search_bytes/intro.html

[2] https://book.rizin.re/src/tools/rz-bin/strings.html

[3] https://book.rizin.re/src/tools/rz-find/intro.html

gregwebs 3 days ago

I know of one family that’s doing homeschooling. It’s not because of classmates, it’s because of curriculum failures. Their school district has messed up both reading (not doing phonics) and math. So if their kid goes to school they still have to go home and spend a lot of additional time learning. If they stay home, they learn everything they need in much less than a school day. This is only possible for them due to modern education software that lets them know exactly where their kid is at and where tutoring is needed.

whalesalad 5 days ago

Can anyone recommend a resource for how to (architecturally) handle communication with a device over i2c? That is where I am kinda stuck atm when it comes to programming a GPS device.

Backstory: at one point I was trying to use elixir/nerves on an rpi to manipulate a few sensor modules to try and produce a race lap timer for motorcycles: https://github.com/whalesalad/rabbit/blob/master/lib/rabbit/...

I bit off more than I could chew: learn elixir, learn i2c, and produce a novel library for controlling the ublox chip since nothing existed for Elixir.

But when it comes to managing the state of the device, reading/writing memory, etc.. that is all very foreign to me (I am used to sockets, http apis, etc) like request/response style interactions.

Over2Chars 5 days ago

The wiki is free and open-source? Or the contents of the wiki are free and open-source?

If it's a wiki, it would be less than courteous to restrictively copyright public contributions (but I'm sure it's been done).

And presumably, paywalling it would reduce contributions.

My impression as to the number one barrier to hardware modifications is soldering. For some reason people can't or won't do it.

So I'd like to introduce the non-sponsor for this comment, "Pincel" the open firmware soldering iron

https://pine64.org/devices/pinecil/

It's running a risc-v chip on open firmware so you'll have cool points with when you whip it out at Richard Stallman's next BBQ.

  • 1317 5 days ago

    It's nice that open firmware exists

    but why on earth would a soldering iron need firmware to begin with?

    • snvzz 5 days ago

      Temperature control.

      It can be done w/o software for sure, but it's easier to do PID with.

  • 0xEF 4 days ago

    The Pinecil is great, but is definitely a terrible recommendation for anyone new to soldering. If you're trying to encourage people to learn to solder, they should be doing it with a proper station that can handle and maintain temp for extended periods. I have a Pinecil, but it's really only useful for quick on-the-fly jobs (which it excels at, in my experience) so it stays in my tool bag for work. It suffers from overheating and temperature changes for more lengthy jobs.

    Otherwise, yeah, if you're already competent at soldering and need a pocket-sized iron that you can create a portable power supply for, invest in a Pinecil

    • Over2Chars 4 days ago

      Ok, next time I'll do it like this

      <HUMOR> <!----- THIS IS THE FUNNY PART ----->

      So I'd like to introduce the non-sponsor for this comment, "Pincel" the open firmware soldering iron

      https://pine64.org/devices/pinecil/

      It's running a risc-v chip on open firmware so you'll have cool points with when you whip it out at Richard Stallman's next BBQ.

      <!-------- THE FUNNY PART IS ENDING HERE ------> </HUMOR>

      So it's 10000000% clear I am making the joke.

      • 0xEF 3 days ago

        Well, I feel stupid. Apologies!

atentaten 5 days ago

This is good. I would've like to see the things that are possible by hacking hardware upfront. I think this help entice users by providing some exciting anticipation.

3abiton 4 days ago

One interesting feature: an index of all existing (already documented) hardware hacks on commercial devices. I know for example the IP camera industry has a large models that many different people are modding, but their docs are scattered all over github.

freedomben 5 days ago

This is great, and sorely needed! My son wanted to get into hardware hacking a couple of years ago and had a horrible time. He ended up watching a mish-mash of varying quality youtube videos and reading blog posts which went out of date suprisingly quick.

fasten 4 days ago

Thanks this is an awesome resource! Especially to get into hardware hacking without getting lost in case studies... It looks super beginner friendly too

Fokamul 5 days ago

Omg, wiki is recommending "Bus Pirate", this HW is many years old and basically abandoned project. Use something up-to-date, like Tigard and BitMagic.

  • teatkin 5 days ago

    Ian Lesnet/Dangerous Prototypes have within the last few months released the v5 Bus Pirate. Looks like he and the Dangerous Prototypes team might have taken on different ventures, but Ian has come back to the Bus Pirate.

    On a personal note, I think the v5 hardware is pretty good, worth having alongside a Tigard since they are all so cheap anyway.

    Edit: Apparently there's now a v5 XL and a v6 based on the RP2350 been released too, seems to be revived

NoboruWataya 5 days ago

Great idea, and it's definitely an area I am becoming more interested in as a hobbyist.

Not to be that guy, but I always think it's a shame to see an open source community centre itself around a Discord server.

  • hw-f3nter 4 days ago

    Thank you for your feedback! The Discord server serves as a platform for feedback and discussions about hardware hacking and HardBreak. Do you have any suggestions for alternative ways to offer these features?

    • NoboruWataya 4 days ago

      I like IRC, but that seems to be an unpopular opinion these days (but maybe appropriate for a bunch of hardware hackers, since you could probably host it on an ESP32 if you were so inclined lol). There is also Matrix, which is somewhat more modern, or Zulip as another commenter has mentioned.

      Ultimately it's your decision, and I guess Discord is probably easier to manage. Just consider that with Discord the discussions and knowledge that build up on the server don't really belong to you.

    • mdaniel 4 days ago

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42685138 is the one I always post in any mention if Discord or Slack because they are both walled gardens

      In your specific case, you may have to self-host or pay because I don't believe your project would qualify under their open source hosting offering but it wouldn't hurt to ask

HeartofCPU 5 days ago

I love it so much. I always wanted to get started with hardware hacking , and this is the right place to start !

SilentM68 5 days ago

Thank you for the site.

I've been trying to learn how to customize Linux (e.g. roll my own Linux) for any platform but it takes time to learn since all the information is laid out all over the internet, thus hard to locate. I'm aware of Linux From Scratch project but it is a long read and I find that certain knowledge is assumed (e.g. why build chain is needed), thus not necessarily newbie-friendly. Though I've yet to go through your site, hopefully it will take the newbie inexperience (e.g. electronics knowledge if any) into consideration.

Good luck, SM68

rubslopes 5 days ago

Please remember to write "Show HN:" when submitting your own content.

  • hw-f3nter 5 days ago

    I was thinking about it, but the Guidelines include this:

    >Off topic: blog posts, sign-up pages, newsletters, lists, and other reading material. Those can't be tried out, so can't be Show HNs. Make a regular submission instead.

    so I made a regular submission, as I think HardBreak is reading material. @Mods feel free to move my post, if this is considered a Show HN post.

fitsumbelay 5 days ago

whether partially open source or not, I appreciate this. Thanks, OP

mrc527 4 days ago

Nice one, very user friendly.

Can't wait for the RFID section :)

Aetheridon 5 days ago

fantastic providing such knowledge for free, many thanks