Comment by princearthur

Comment by princearthur 9 days ago

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California is in the middle of a huge fire insurance crisis. It started with the intentional housing supply restrictions that drove up property prices and rents. In suburban areas, rebuilding costs were mostly increased indirectly through higher wages (as tradespeople and laborers have to make rent.) This sent insurance rates through the roof and caused a wave of policy cancellations. Many insurance companies exited the market altogether [1].

Climate change is also to blame. The firestorms of 2017, 2018 and 2020 broke all records, and were insanely expensive to rebuild after. The typical trigger is a katabatic wind event [2] after a long dry spell. This massively reduces relative humidity (often to 5-10%,) making ignition much easier. Once a fire starts, the wind spreads it extremely quickly. Sustained wind speeds of 50-60mph are not uncommon near mountain peaks.

In 2017/2018/2020, the precipitating events were so intense that the initial responses focused exclusively on helping the residents out. By the time the actual firefighting began, the fires were already enormous.

It's surprising to me that we haven't seriously looked into large-scale sprinkler systems, such as this one deployed in Spain [3]. These could take a major bite out of the initial uncontrolled stage. They could either be deployed in the wild along naturally defensible lines, or at the perimeters of inhabited areas.

They're expensive upfront, but not as expensive as the alternative. They might also reduce the need for prescribed burns.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/10/home...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind

[3] https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

devoutsalsa 9 days ago

I remember the smoke hovering over San Francisco, CA during the fires in late 2018. It was the worst I've personally experienced. I had an office job at the time. At the end of the day I didn't want to walk home in such poor air quality, so I ordered an Uber. The driver had been driving in that smoke all day and it caught up with him. Halfway to my home, he opened the door, puked his guts out, canceled ride, ended his shift, and I ended up walking the rest of the way.

  • tmn 8 days ago

    That's wild. It makes me wonder how many people know what the circulate internal air button does and if it would be sufficient or not to prevent the above happening for the driver

    • tekknik 8 days ago

      In most vehicles it’s a HEPA filter, so yes?

frmersdog 9 days ago

Potential hiccup: isn't California in a water crisis? So, upstream of all of this is something like, "Dealing with foreign land-owners who are buying up all the water rights on the West Coast in order to irrigate their animal feed alfalfa farms (say that 5 times fast)." Your fire management issue just became an international concern.

  • tekknik 8 days ago

    Not a hiccup. Why do we care if foreign farmers can feed their animals? We need to focus on us first. They shouldn’t even be able to buy property here until they’re a citizen.

    • frmersdog 8 days ago

      Hi, yes, it's the Arabians and the Chinese. We let one get away with a massive terrorist attack and the other is a nuclear power who we're trying not to go to war with. Remember, our entry into the Pacific Theater of WWII was predicated on a trade embargo.

      ...But in general, I do agree that we shouldn't be selling out American resources for foreign countries at our loss.

  • derwiki 8 days ago

    I’d imagine we don’t need desalinated water to fight fires, but I’m def not an expert in this.

    • jcgl 8 days ago

      Pretty sure you don’t want to go spraying salt everywhere. Ecologically bad.