Comment by nradov

Comment by nradov 10 days ago

7 replies

Is that even feasible? How exactly would firefighters defend towns from large wildfires. They can't cut an effective fire break around an entire town.

jwlake 10 days ago

The bigger the town the easier it gets. Towns have roads and parking lots and cmu commercial buildings that are mostly non-flammable. They also have water supplies and logistics infrastructure. Centralized defense is very feasible. Mountain roads and poor communications cause an underutilization of resources.

  • nradov 9 days ago

    That doesn't seem accurate. Commercial buildings aren't necessarily in the outskirts of town. And while the buildings themselves might be slightly more fire-resistant than typical wood frame houses, they're full of flammable materials. Look what happened with the Camp Fire in 2018.

    • LorenPechtel 9 days ago

      It's simply not possible to make a practical house that won't support combustion. However, we don't need to. The threat is not what happens when the house is exposed to direct fire, but what happens when the house is exposed to ignition sources. And those *can* be stopped. Build your house such that there isn't anything combustible on the outside of the house and all access points are made spark proof.

      Our house is not fire engineered--but still it has very few spots that could ignite. That's simply because we have stucco walls and a concrete tile roof. There is some exposed wood but not much. Nor are the vents spark proof.

      Unfortunately, concrete tile roofs aren't suitable in many places (they don't like hail) and can't be retrofit onto most houses due to the weight.

jjk166 9 days ago

The cost of a fire break is proportional to the perimeter, the value is proportional to the area.

  • nradov 9 days ago

    True in a mathematical sense but irrelevant in practice. Realistically there won't ever be enough firefighters available nearby to cut an effective fire break around an entire town while a wildfire is burning nearby. Do you have any concept of how much manual labor and heavy machinery this takes?

    • jjk166 8 days ago

      You know firebreaks can be cut before a fire, right?

      Even in the case of an emergency firebreak, if there aren't enough firefighters to cut one large one, there aren't enough firefighters to cut lots of small ones with a greater total length.

      • nradov 8 days ago

        That's one of those hilarious "peak Hacker News" comments from someone who obviously has never spent much time cutting down trees and clearing brush. There are hundreds towns at risk of wildfires. The scale of effort necessary to cut effective fire breaks around them and keep them clear every summer would be enormous. The state has nowhere near the budget for that. Do the math. And besides that there are numerous other problems including private property access and environmental impact laws that make the whole idea ludicrous to anyone who lives in the real world.