Comment by gerdesj

Comment by gerdesj 7 hours ago

7 replies

"is the case of invasive tracking (basically enterprise spyware)"

... and what do you suggest schools (for example) use instead? Bear in mind that "invasive tracking" is also used for protection of the vulnerable.

gbanfalvi 7 hours ago

Schools can use MDM profiles to track or restrict navigation.

Not only would you _not_ want to do it at this level or by setting cookies from a technical perspective, it wouldn’t work well as soon as a user goes to different app.

jeffhuys 7 hours ago

It’s used for protection of the companies, so they can’t be held liable. Don’t kid yourself.

  • astrange 7 hours ago

    What companies do you think are held liable when students look at porn on a school computer?

    I don't know what that has to do with cookies though.

beretguy 7 hours ago

What do you mean by “schools” and “protection of vulnerable”?

OmarAssadi 6 hours ago

> Bear in mind that "invasive tracking" is also used for protection of the vulnerable.

If we're going to go down the "think of the children" path, I'd argue invasive tracking is used far more often for persecuting the vulnerable. But anyway, if you want an ultra locked-down machine for schools running Apple devices, use MDM, Santa or whatever else, and network filtering like everyone else.

I'm getting very tired of the idea that we need to bend to ad agencies and absurd government abuse in the supposed name of protecting the innocent. It's suffocating for everyone.

Some people online are strange and scary no doubt; I know that better than anyone. But kids will be kids, and they'll do dangerous things without you knowing; people go home and talk to strangers on Discord or whatever else all day and no amount of browser fingerprinting is going to change that.

Maybe I am the crazy one, though, I don't know. But I only learned to program because I wasn't caged up; I couldn't have been older than six years old or so when my friend introduced me to this MMO, RuneScape, which I became obsessed with. And like all dumb kids, I eventually tried to look for cheats, of course, there were none, but I stumbled upon some reverse engineering forums where people were collaborating and trying to build their own server emulators for the game. It was interesting, so I stuck around, and it incrementally forced me to learn just about everything I could really need -- from software to things like "oh gosh, we've suddenly got players, but now we're getting slammed by some dude's botnet; I am twelve and BlackLotus wants $500 a month for a server with any sort of DDoS mitigation, so we need to figure out how to deal with this on our own".

I had good times, and I had many terrifying times, but at the end of the day, my life would be entirely different if I grew up sheltered and shackled to an iPad with no way to truly investigate the things that interested me. I'm very glad I stole my mom's PowerBook to stay up all night in the vBulletin shoutbox with people no sane person would normally want their child hanging around.

dspillett 6 hours ago

What is being blocked by this that would protect the vulnerable in a school?