Comment by toomuchtodo

Comment by toomuchtodo 10 months ago

> Losing the citizenry might be more politically damaging faster than economically damaging to X/Starlink.

Provide evidence Brazil will lose the citizenry over this. It appears that Brazil has been surgical in directing access restrictions to X; millions of X social followers have moved to Bluesky [1], and while Starlink customers might be impacted (~250k terminals) who cannot access X, they are not a majority in any sense (based on ground station count; 250k vs a Brazil population of 215.3 million people).

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's also easy to get caught in the trap to believe that other people think how one's own self thinks [2].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41550053

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

matheusmoreira 10 months ago

> Provide evidence Brazil will lose the citizenry over this.

Just this month, people literally got out of their homes, went out and onto the street, assembled and protested this judge, demanding his impeachment. This happened in seven of our capitals.

https://www.ft.com/content/142a6d95-b06e-47e3-a605-a203e2bc4...

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-moraes-bolsonaro-sa...

https://g1.globo.com/jornal-nacional/noticia/2024/09/07/mani...

While this was going down, the judge was apparently attending a barbecue with the ruling party. They made fun of the protesters. "Your homages have already begun", they are reported to have said to him.

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toomuchtodo 10 months ago

These were the same Bolsonaro supporters who lost in the most recent election, yeah? A few thousand people in the streets is not material support in a country of 200M people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_general_electio...
From your AP News citation:
> Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes ordered X’s nationwide ban on Aug. 30 after months of feuding with Musk over the limits of free speech. The powerful judge has spearheaded efforts to ban far-right users from spreading misinformation on social media, and he ramped up his clampdown after die-hard Bolsonaro supporters ransacked Congress and the presidential palace on Jan. 8, 2023, in an attempt to overturn Bolsonaro’s defeat in the presidential election.

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opello 10 months ago

I didn't claim that Brazil would lose the citizenry or anything about this specific situation. I disagree, generally, that nation states can always win against corporations. But maybe it's more a question of time frame.

DuPont adversely affecting the environment and ultimately people during the manufacture of Teflon is a ready example. It's a loss due to decades of severe impact. Regulatory capture and banking also comes to mind as a loss also given the number of people pushed to economic ruin because of it.

I'm curious where you think I made an extraordinary claim? I'm also curious what comes across as so biased?

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