Comment by PlunderBunny

Comment by PlunderBunny 7 hours ago

9 replies

Even if you fix all the zoning and land supply problems, you still need to qualify this as building the right kind of housing. Building more large, expensive homes that are gobbled up by investors or people 'parking' money isn't going to help people that need cheap dwellings to actually live in.

I'm not saying you're not aware of this or that your statement doesn't include the possibility, but (housing) developers will follow the money, and that doesn't mean making small affordable homes when the profit margins on other types of dwelling are higher.

wolpoli 7 hours ago

> Building more large, expensive homes that are gobbled up by investors or people 'parking' money isn't going to help people that need cheap dwellings to actually live in.

Investors that gobbled up properties are renting them to renters (assuming it isn't on airbnb) to pay their holding costs (mortgage, tax, maintenance), since they are by definition investors. They actually increase the pool of property for renters, keeping rent price lower, which fights rental inflation. This does drive up purchase price for the home itself, but that's a separate topic.

Same with people parking money, why would they be leaving the homes empty when they could rent it out for additional cash flow?

  • HarryHirsch 6 hours ago

    That's the theory, and the practice is that there's a serious undersupply of entry-level housing. There's simply not enough housing of type 3 BR, up to 1500 sqft being built, and the existing stock is deteriorating.

    People will say, yabbut, airplane hangar houses out on the bajada, but you cannot subdivide those monstrosities into apartments.

    • ProfessorLayton 6 hours ago

      If zoning was fixed as GP was saying, then more housing people want would get built rather than what pencils out best for developers.

      Zoning issues like low height limits, and high parking requirements etc. contribute to the shortage by making it infeasible build a lot of 3BR/1500sqft units because returns are better by building 2 smaller units in the same footprint, and because there's a shortage of housing, they'll be able to sell less than optimal units to people that need them.

    • sfmz 5 hours ago

      Can there be enough entry-level housing? Parcels of land near me are like $200k and I'm not in a swanky suburb... ? Every new house built out in the hinterlands (1hr+ from MPLS) is like $600k. I'm in MN which is considered affordable.

maxerickson 7 hours ago

It's been demonstrated over and over again that building high end housing does have an impact on the prices of lower end stuff.

It is of course likely to have a greater impact to build lower cost stuff, but blocking a development because you don't like the sort of houses they want to build is more or less stupid (it's not like a developer is going to do a project there is no demand for, and that demand is probably already looking elsewhere near the proposed development...).

vishalontheline 6 hours ago

Maybe there should be an occupancy credit, like a clean energy credit. Empty property holders can buy it from occupied property holders to compensate for the higher property tax burden.

BenFranklin100 6 hours ago

That’s not how it works. New housing, even if luxury, provides options for wealthier people to buy who otherwise are forced to bid up the price of older homes and remodel it to their liking. New housing starts an immediate chain reaction where wealthier people vacate older housing in less desired areas for the new homes, thus putting downward price pressure on older homes. Our current problem is that for the last thirty years we have banned most new construction, resulting in a shortage of new homes.

We saw this dynamic play out during the pandemic when news cars were delayed due to supply chain constraints, and the price of used cars shot up.

  • PlunderBunny 6 hours ago

    I should have prefixed my comment by saying I'm not in America. In the country I live in, population growth effectively occurs by immigration of not-poor migrants, and that growth continues to outstrip supply. Sure, if you build more high-end houses than you need, you would see the effect you describe, but it's like emptying a swimming pool with a straw.