Comment by diggan

Comment by diggan a year ago

26 replies

> And that as soon as migrations happen, your storage costs will balloon, so you need a billing strategy on launch.

Unless people somehow figure out a way of hosting stuff somewhere else than Amazon/$host_that_charges_per_mb_transit (Hint: they exist)

Considering it would have to be a lean operation (assuming bootstrapped), then figuring out basic stuff like "We don't want to pay per MB sent" should be a pretty high requirement.

thelittleone a year ago

Dont OVH and Hetzner offer this? If you dont like bare metal perhaps run Coolify for your vercel like platform?

quesera a year ago

All true, but I think we might underestimate the amount of data sitting in Pivotal.

  • diggan a year ago

    I don't think you'd have to consider migration all the data from Pivotal, but lets assume 10% just in case? Lets say that's 100TB in total (on disk), which you could host with 10x storage boxes from Hetzner, 24 EUR each per month, so 240 EUR in total, which includes 10 unmetered connections (1 per box).

    • simoncion a year ago

      > I don't think you'd have to consider migration all the data from Pivotal...

      I do. You might not have demands to migrate all data from all of your potential customers, but far, far more people than you might expect treat their issue tracking system as a system of record and external memory for a HUGE assortment of things.

      One hugely (and obviously) useful query chain that such a system answers is "Hey, this customer problem sounds familiar. Did we investigate it before? Did we solve it? If so, how? If not, why not?". For long-running projects, it is impossible to select the correct 10% of data to retain to also retain the ability to reliably -er- service those query chains.

      • diggan a year ago

        Obviously I meant 10% of all customers would hypothetically migrate from Pivotal to this new imaginary service, not that 10% of the data from each customer would be migrated... So 100% of the data migrated from 10% of the Pivotal user base, pretty generous assumptions I think.

    • djhn a year ago

      At that price point Hetzner’s dedicated storage servers with enterprise HDDs are cheaper per terabyte and better suited for production work loads.

  • dugmartin a year ago

    It might not be as much as one would think. I just looked at their export page and you can only get 6 months of project history data out of their system - I'm guessing that means comments.

DrillShopper a year ago

What hosting providers would you recommend?

  • diggan a year ago

    Both OVH and Hetzner offers unmetered connections for their dedicated servers, only had good experience with both so far (besides when one of OVH's data centers burned down, but hoping that was a exceptional situation)

    • toomuchtodo a year ago

      Backup to Backblaze B2, or, depending on architecture, rely on their object storage for hot data (depending on data cache and tier requirements). They partner with Cloudflare for free egress (on the Backblaze side) of public content as well.

      https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing

      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-part...

      • dexterdog a year ago

        Cloudflare’s subscription agreement for self-serve accounts limits serving non-HTML content, including "video or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content."

    • closeparen a year ago

      In Europe. Hosting for North American customers is a completely different story.

      • diggan a year ago

        I'm fairly sure Hetzner only host their dedicated from Germany or Finland, yeah. But OVH has dedicated servers in Europe, America and Asia if I recall correctly.

      • Aeolun a year ago

        You can use IOFlood for something similar to Hetzner (if a much smaller operation).