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Comment by steve_adams_86 10 months ago

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Coping is quite literally necessary. It’s the same for people with cognitive or psychological disabilities. The world isn’t organized or structured with you in mind… You need to cope with the immediate challenges and find solutions, and often you need to cope with the psycho-emotional aspect of living in a world that often works against rather than with you.

It’s difficult. Not coping is a recipe for a really bad time. I think people without disabilities are uncomfortable with acknowledging the innate struggles.

Der_Einzige 10 months ago

I’m comfortable with it but most members of the various disability communities would not like me since, among other things, I strongly advocate for pre natal testing and elective abortion of people with serious issues like blindness.

I think that being blind makes life not worth living. I’m extremely supportive of MAID and physician assisted suicidal for these exact reasons. “Coping” by telling those who don’t want to be forced into insular communities that they’re betraying their only “family” is disgusting.

It’s the same thinking within aspie communities who like to pretend that Asperger’s isn’t actually debilitating or harmful. It is, and the world would be better off with a cure, not senseless separatism.

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  • onemoresoop 10 months ago

    > various disability communities would not like me since, among other things, I strongly advocate for pre natal testing and elective abortion of people with serious issues like blindness.

    I think they're right to not want you around them, you sound odious to them and your ideas are very questionable. Where do you draw the line as there are various degrees of disability. What if you discover that you yourself already have a disability such as lacking empathy for example and while you adapted to your life well someone comes along advocating to terminate pregnancies with your condition?

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    • Der_Einzige 10 months ago

      The idea that people who advocate for harm reduction lack empathy itself lacks empathy.

      I would 100% support a mothers right to choose, and if that meant that any one of us did not exist because of it, so much the better. A life not lived is guaranteed harm/suffering that didn't happen. This is consistent with negative utilitarianism, which is a better moral or ethical framework than any other. Also consistent with Jainism, which is the only religion in the world that means it when it preaches non violence (but is down with suicide)

      A whole lot of the world believes in reincarnation (~1 billion people), and have advocated for positions similar to this in their extensive bodies of philosophies for millennia. The idea that we are not to help someone on their way to the next, hopefully better life is just as silly sounding to them as it is for me to go to the 1 billion+ abrahamites around the world and tell them that heaven/hell isn't real.

      Simply admitting that some conditions make life not really worth living for a lot of people is not worth getting worked up over, especially when it bears out in data that blindness definitely does make people want to choose that option. I can't always blame them: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4624868/

      Quoting the abstract

      "Mortality was significantly increased in the visually impaired (SMR = 1.3; 95% CI 1.07–1.61), but in gender-stratified analyses the increase only affected males (1.34; 95% CI = 1.06–1.70) and not females (1.24; 95% CI 0.82–1.88)"

      Most of the lack of increase in Mortality is explained by women trying and failing to commit suicide far more than men. I'm sure they tried more often too, but this was not explored in the paper.

      From https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... (2024, systemic review/meta analysis):

      "The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support the association between visual impairment and increased risk of suicidal tendencies. The risk differed by age group, with a pronounced risk observed among adolescents."

      It is unpalatable to talk in such a direct way about these things, but like a lawyer who has the benefit of distance away from the problem of a client, I, fortunately am not blind, and this is sometimes a good thing. Insular communities can and often do have bad takes and need the rest of the world to hold them accountable.

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    • webspinner 10 months ago

      I already don't like, and would not want to meet that person in public! So yeah no!

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  • steve_adams_86 10 months ago

    If I was blind I’d have a multitude of things worth living for. All of my senses have the potential of lifetimes of experiences, and so much is missed out on because I prioritize my sight so much.

    I’m pretty sure I’d adjust quite quickly. Start playing music again, pay closer attention to my surroundings not directly in front of me, learn new ways to relate with my family and deepen our relationships, you name it.

    It’s a loss, but it’s also an opportunity. Do I want to go blind? No, I’d rather not. Would I want to die? Not at all. I got almost 40 years in with sight already. Many don’t even make it this far with their lives in tact. I’m incredibly fortunate as it is.

    I could die tomorrow entirely accidentally. I’d rather go blind instead. Absolutely.

    Of course you’re welcome to your own perception and opinions on the matter. I just couldn’t disagree much more. I’m a little surprised I guess; I’m diagnosed with untreatable depression and I fully support assisted death for the right circumstances. Going blind has never struck me as one of those, though. Or having a disability, generally speaking. I am diagnosed as disabled. I’m pretty glad I was born this way rather than, say, not at all.

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    • webspinner 10 months ago

      Well I'm blind, and I would rather not die until 40-50 years from now, thanks! I only support that kind of thing for terminal conditions.

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  • webspinner 10 months ago

    I'm not in support of that kind of thing, and believes anyone who is should in fact, take a long walk off a non-existent pier! Your just advocating for ableism if you support that kind of thing.

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  • squigz 10 months ago

    > I think that being blind makes life not worth living.

    Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about.

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    • webspinner 10 months ago

      Idiots here always have to take it to the next level right?

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