Comment by api

Comment by api 2 days ago

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If you've ever worked in a large corporation or government, you know that this is the norm. It's amazing that anything, anywhere, ever gets done at all in organizations larger than a few hundred people.

We as humans are very bad at this.

Companies like Oracle, Deloitte, McKinsey, etc. are experts at extracting large sums of money from large dysfunctional organizations.

hmmm-i-wonder 2 days ago

I've worked in academia. I've worked in small, medium and large private companies and fortune 50 companies, and I've worked for small and large govt.

I have yet to see anything bigger than a small company run efficiently, and that's by necessity more than anything. The largest wastes of money I've seen were fortune 50/large enterprise companies yet people constantly point to gov and academia as the most wasteful.

My current job is a cycle of hype waves the executives and ceo buy into and oversell to customers in impossible timelines, the inevitable smack of reality when neither CEO nor customers are happy with the over-promised and under-delivered results, and the move to the next wave to capture more customers to replace the ones attriting because the result doesn't match the requirements despite waht they were told.

The actual users of our product seem to split fairly evenly on love or hate our products with good reasons while their executives and spending managers are almost comically willing to fork over more money over for little to no real benefits. There is very much "No one was fired for buying IBM" mentality in the corporate world, this seems like another example.

nyarlathotep_ a day ago

> Companies like Oracle, Deloitte, McKinsey, etc. are experts at extracting large sums of money from large dysfunctional organizations.

And IBM and Accenture, and etc etc

Feels like this entire sector *should be* ripe for disruption by a more skilled and far leaner organization for far cheaper, but my impression is that the majority of these contracts are some "business/partner" relationship things, and those that opt for these contracts are performing CYA by opting for these companies.

whimsicalism 2 days ago

I've worked in a large government organization (the IRS) and at a large tech company.

I think it is fun to pretend like the issues in private industry vs public sector are similar in magnitude, but in reality it's not even close. I have never seen even remotely the level of dysfunction I saw in the public sphere in any private company.

  • PaulDavisThe1st 2 days ago

    Based on your comment, you've worked in 1 public and 1 private organization. Not sure this is the basis for coming to such sweeping and drastic conclusions.

    • whimsicalism 2 days ago

      We're all working from limited examples - this entire article is about only one. I know many other government workers in different branches who felt similarly.

      • PaulDavisThe1st 2 days ago

        and yet you discount even the commenters in this subthread who report on the horrors within the private sector ....

m11a 2 days ago

> Companies like Oracle, Deloitte, McKinsey, etc. are experts at extracting large sums of money from large dysfunctional organizations.

I wonder, how do they do it? How do they sell sub-par products/services that a company arguably doesn't need at a premium price?

  • Ekaros 2 days ago

    Lot of people don't care about spending someone else's money efficiently. And in some cases spending more will make them look better and lead to better opportunities. And this happens on every level, lot of employees just don't care. And those that might probably focus on wrong things.

    And no software people are no better, going for expensive tools, expensive cloud spending or just next shiny thing is often argued with some time to market or future scaling excuse. Or just wanting to do something different.

jer0me 2 days ago

Are they themselves large, dysfunctional organizations?