Comment by soferio

Comment by soferio 2 days ago

15 replies

This military response was the opposite of indiscriminate. It was proportionate and targeted. It focussed as best as anyone ever could on the precise set of people who (hiding among their own civilians) have been launching hundreds of inaccurate rockets to kill Israeli civilians - for months.

ignoramous 2 days ago

> It focused as best as anyone ever could

It isn't the "best ever" as there was no guarantee the pagers were worn only by combatants. As of now, of the 9 dead, 1/3rd are definitely not: 2 children & 1 woman.

> set of people who (hiding among their own civilians)

These people should always wear military uniform and live in a separate neighborhood even when they're not on duty? What do you propose?

> have been launching hundreds of inaccurate rockets

Guess what else is also reckless and killed civilians? https://www.stephensemler.com/p/israel-has-fired-over-11k-mu...

  • ibejoeb 2 days ago

    >These people should always wear military uniform and live in a separate neighborhood

    That is on the table, yes. Otherwise, while they mingle with civilians, it's clear that the civilians are in danger. If I'm one of them, and I'm intent on persuing this action, moving to military quarters is going to come to mind.

    Imagine one of those pagers, hip height, at a shop queue or bus stop. Or you're on a bike in traffic next to one of them.

    Everything about this sucks. It absolutely is indiscriminate. It's different than droning a guy at his house and accepting his wife as collateral damange. This is 3,000+ maiming explosive devices scattered all about with no way of mitigating the collateral damange.

    • harimau777 2 days ago

      I definitely agree that it's a problem that fighters are dispersed among the civilian population. However, requiring them to wear uniforms and live on a base seems like it would make it impossible for a smaller force or an insurgency to stand up to a more powerful enemy that is able to wipe out any obvious military target at will.

      What's the alternative that doesn't give powerful nations more or less absolute power to push around weaker nations or people?

      • ibejoeb 2 days ago

        I don't think anyone, especially civilians, love the idea of militants hiding among the population. I don't know why they must in order to stand up to a more powerful adversary. Regardless, this isn't some kind of rule. It's more of a consideration for that individual, like "should I be hanging out at home with my family while I'm engaged in a dirty war with an adversary that is willing to strike my family to get me?"

        1. It's really rather common for active duty military to segregate themselves in combat zones. One of the reasons is that there is mutual benefit in reducing the exposure of civilians.

        2. There is no alternative to a powerful entity getting its way. We have the word power simply to describe that capability. It's not an annointed status.

      • readams 2 days ago

        Using civilians as human shields is a war crime. You are advocating for war crimes.

oneeyedpigeon 2 days ago

Do we know approximately how many terrorists were killed and how many civilians were killed? Do we know what steps Israel took—if any—to prevent the target pagers from falling into civilian hands?