Comment by InkCanon

Comment by InkCanon 2 days ago

18 replies

I wonder how Taiwan feels about this. From their perspective jobs are getting offshored from their country because of massive subsidies, and the strategic shield of having most critical semiconductors coming from them is getting getting thinner. At the same time they can't complain because only the US could defend them from China.

ip26 2 days ago

I've always thought there's some geopolitical chess at here. The US can't abide being completely dependent on the island of Taiwan. So if TSMC wasn't willing to do this, the US might fund an alternative. This could leave Taiwan no leverage at all.

Now, with some US based production, TSMC is still in charge, and more resilient to disruption. So it may still be a very strong move.

  • ImJamal 2 days ago

    I am not sure if Taiwan has any real leverage. If Taiwan is destroyed or otherwise compromised by China, the US would probably seize the American branch of TSMC, force the sale of the American branch to a western company, or force TSMC America become an independent company.

    • zarzavat 2 days ago

      Isn't that like China seizing an iPhone factory and declaring that they are going to make the next iPhone? I doubt that a TSMC US fab can function independently for very long in the case of invasion, the Taiwanese govt presumably did this calculation before signing off on it.

      • mjevans 2 days ago

        Context matters.

        Reactions to active conflict have a different threshold than normal civil operations. The interests of the US are biased towards continued peace. War is inherently value destructive (even if the military industrial complex gets to sell more stuff for a bit) so a majority of the population from a multitude of perspectives would rather remain fat and happy with their circuses (sports-ball).

        That balance changes, as it has since the dawn of western history times, when outside forces disrupt the regular machinations of the people. When events like Pearl Harbor, the turn of the century terrorist airplane hijackings that turned them into missiles and America's citizens into hostages to our own national security theater paranoia, or some country turning the place all of our iPhone and computer brains are fabricated in into a war zone.

        • im3w1l 2 days ago

          > fat and happy with their circuses (sports-ball).

          You are protecting your ego. The modern circus is the algorithmic feed. And we are consuming it more obsessively then any previous form of entertainment.

      • ceejayoz 2 days ago

        > Isn't that like China seizing an iPhone factory and declaring that they are going to make the next iPhone?

        In a hot war, they'd absolutely do the first bit.

        I don't think they need to do the second bit.

    • EasyMark 2 days ago

      It’s looking really bad for Taiwan to be honest and I don’t think the US has the political will to face off a full on invasion of China against Taiwan. Our military could handle it, but I don’t think the public will is there. I don’t think that China will come away with much other than more land though, the Taiwanese will not hand over their factories and IP to CCP companies, they will blow them up.

      • aksss a day ago

        Any conflict would leave the small island looking like Gaza, a pyrrhic victory for everyone involved -- if you're trying to seize more than land. It's conceivable that the country making islands in the SCS would see a mere land grab as a win, doubly so if they can weather the global hit to chip production better than their rivals. It's untenable for the US to have so many critical eggs in such a vulnerable basket.

    • whimsicalism 2 days ago

      This seems extremely naïve about what it takes to run tsmc and how human capital works.

      • daedrdev 2 days ago

        The US would probably also accept any Taiwanese immigrants fleeing invasion and Chinese occupation

  • InkCanon 2 days ago

    The US is funding alternatives (Intel and Samsung).

wtallis 2 days ago

The strategic shield isn't getting that much thinner: this fab is a generation behind last year's iPhone Pros and MacBook Pros.

  • boppo1 2 days ago

    Wait does that mean the 16 isn't their "fastest iPhone ever"?

    • audunw 2 days ago

      You may be confused by the chip numbering. The A16 chip that they’re manufacturing is not the chip for the iPhone 16 (it uses the A18)

bamboozled 2 days ago

Isn't this better for Taiwan because it strengthens their ally, The USA?

If China would just wipe out Taiwan's ability produce chips, and disables part of the US information tech supply chain, then it would be bad for Taiwan right?

  • EasyMark 2 days ago

    What? All the knowledge can be transferred to the USA in case of an invasion via open refugee status and brain drain from Taiwan to the USA under the circumstances.