Comment by austhrow743

Comment by austhrow743 3 days ago

8 replies

My take on their comment was that it should be worth many billions if it was being run effectively but that it's not.

That doesn't mean the market is wrong, it means the market thinks it will continue to be run ineffectively.

mtkd 2 days ago

If someone wants to delist and have equity/executive control -- there is little minority shareholders can do to prevent it in practice

The controlling interest can just hire incompetent ops heads and side-line competent ones for a few quarters ... slowwalk any events that could increase value

The board resigning likely helps the plan

Fair chance future offers will get worse the longer it goes on

s1artibartfast 3 days ago

if that is the case, isnt paying stockholders 20% over value a pretty good deal, and not a ripoff?

It seems like there are contradictory facts being claimed: that the price to go private is a lowball, and that the current price is accurate.

  • austhrow743 3 days ago

    If the one offering 20% over listed price is the one causing the listed price to be far more than 20% below what the company could be worth if they were running it properly, most people would consider that to be a ripoff.

    • s1artibartfast 2 days ago

      That seems like conspiracy thinking. The stockholders own part of the company with current management, not some hypothetical alternative.

      If they sell, they are selling a stake in the real company as it exists, not the alternate reality one.

      Think of a more relatable example. . A rental house with crazy tenants sells for less than a vacant one.

      If you buy or own a stake in a business that is controlled by poor managers, you are lucky to sell for a 20% premium.

  • busterarm 3 days ago

    As a sale, yes, but to take it private no. After taking the company private they could then manage the company properly and make all of the upside, completely screwing over the shareholders who they bought out.

    Honestly that's borderline fraud.

    • s1artibartfast 2 days ago

      That would completely be fraud, but seems pretty far fetched.

      They have been (miss)managing the company about the same for 18 years, so it would have to be one of the most epic cons of all time.

      On the other hand, partial owners and management take companies private all the time. It is an extremely common occurrence. It and PE buyout are probably the two most common ways.

      • busterarm 2 days ago

        Based on my parent poster's question we're already operating from the assumption that happening and I'm just explaining why that's bad, not how likely it is.

        • s1artibartfast a day ago

          I had a more charitable read of the parent post where they weren't assuming fraud, but just confused