Comment by nextos

Comment by nextos 3 days ago

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Was the plan all the time to go B2B (drug development) and they just used B2C (selling SNP kits) to hoard samples?

Even considering all FDA limitations, I cannot understand how bad their genetic risk scores are.

They have talent, they have lots of customers and data. This is a position other companies, like deCODE, would have killed to be in.

LarsDu88 3 days ago

If the board is resigning, and the company is selling DNA kits, running a telemedicine operation, selling pharmceuticals online AND developing cancer drugs at a 180 million dollar market cap...

It's quite possible there was no plan at all...

  • AlbertCory 3 days ago

    I saw Ann when she gave a talk at Google (that was when she was still married to Sergey). They had spit cups we could use if we wanted our DNA sequenced. I didn't.

    Their business plan was straight out of South Park:

    1. Collect lots of DNA

    2. ??????

    3. Profit!!

    • marcinzm 2 days ago

      Isn't that the case for almost every single VC backed startup?

      • hennell 2 days ago

        s/dna/data and you're pretty much any tech business.

  • burningChrome 3 days ago

    >>> selling pharmceuticals online

    That would explain them selling 5 million users DNA information to GSK.

    Earlier this summer, the often-scrutinized at-home genetic testing company 23andMe sold genetic data from five million customers to the pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). This surprised a lot of their customers who had forgotten that they consented to this when they signed up for the service.

    https://cglife.com/blog/23andme-sold-your-genetic-data-to-gs...

    • Y_Y 3 days ago

      https://investors.23andme.com/news-releases/news-release-det...

      This is complicated. The don't just zip up all the customer data and send it over, at least they say that they run aggregated queries for GSK and just tell them the answer. But then they say that the data is "anonymized" before this, which seems unnecessary and impossible.

      Imho it's very difficult to anonymize any data, and especially something like DNA. Without an external audit amd some mathematical guarantee (e.g. differntial privacy) I work on the assumption that they do the bare minimum to pass legal muster but anyone who made the effort could confidently associate the data with real people after the fact.

    • LarsDu88 3 days ago

      OP here. These headlines are simply exaggerated. 23andme sells mostly anonymous aggregated GWAS mapping results to companies like GSK as far as I'm aware

  • blitzar 3 days ago

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dekhn 3 days ago

Anne's plan from the very beginning was to capitalize on the value of the human genome in drug development and medical testing. Frankly everything you need to know about the idea behind the company before its various pitfalls and pivots is here (2007): https://web.archive.org/web/20140312001152/http://www.wired....

(sorry, it takes a while to load but wired has killed most of their long-term links)

IMHO she and Avey were just naive about the actual science and business of using genomic information for drug discovery. Remember, around the time the company started, the human genome had only recently been sequenced and Craig Venter was trying to capitalize on that, and lots of folks figured it would quickly turn into a multi-billion dollar market.

On the other hand, the product is quite good at finding relatives (identity by descent) and to be honest I wish they'd run 23&me as just that service, without the medical angle. My father did 23&Me mainly to figure out more about his ancestry, but also it helped a number of children conceived via IVF (he had provided a sample for fertility testing many years before) identify and contact him (I can't even imagine what the experience was like; to me, it's just a bunch of half-siblings I didn't know about)

  • Supernaut 3 days ago

    > it helped a number of children conceived via IVF (he had provided a sample for fertility testing many years before) identify and contact him

    Wait, so a sample he submitted for fertility testing was used to impregnate a number of women? Without his knowledge?

    • dekhn 2 days ago

      That's a good question- I think he signed a consent form that would have allowed additional research on his donations. TBH my dad was suprised but pleased by the outcome.

      • consteval 2 days ago

        I'm glad your dad was happy about it, but it does kind of speak to the potential dangers of giving out your DNA (which is concerns many have around 23andMe).

  • LarsDu88 3 days ago

    Funny enough, the entire 23andMe subreddit is purely about ancestry results, but the company marketing is oriented around health.

  • dragonwriter 3 days ago

    > Remember, around the time the company started, the human genome had only recently been sequenced and Craig Venter was trying to capitalize on that, and lots of folks figured it would quickly turn into a multi-billion dollar market.

    To be fair, a lot of the potential easy money in that market was erased two years after 23andMe was founded when Congress passed the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act.

bpodgursky 3 days ago

It's culturally broken. They have talent but none of the talent ships products that consumers ever see.