kelnos 3 days ago

Sure, but can you get 1,000 of them to explode simultaneously that way? You'd think there'd be some variation in the time of explosion, at least by tens of minutes or hours, maybe even by days.

  • loodish 3 days ago

    Shorting the battery would probably cause an explosion in around one minute. That's close enough to simultaneous.

    From https://www.mdpi.com/2313-0105/8/11/201

    A puncture causes runaway/explosion in seconds. Overcharging takes 13 minutes. There's not good data on a dead short (because it's unlikely during normal operation), but it's going to be between those on the faster end. From personal experience a shorts cause things to get noticeably hot after about 10 seconds, the graphs show that once you hit 60C things rapidly get worse.

    A relay may have been required to hold the short as the battery stops supplying voltage.

kergonath 2 days ago

A battery pouch is a terrible pressure vessel under these conditions. It’s designed to bulge and deform to avoid catastrophic failure. It would need to be replaced with some very stiff material that can withstand the first step of thermal runaway. A battery not submitted to mechanical stress (e.g. by being punctured, hit very hard or shot at) is going to get quite hot before expanding.

CydeWeys 3 days ago

Batteries aren't pressure vessels though. Pressure vessels are generally decently large; how are you going to get one with significant capacity inside something as small and lightweight as a pager? Just putting in some plain explosives makes a lot more sense.

  • Retr0id 3 days ago

    A battery without pressure relief is definitionally a pressure vessel. How much damage it actually does when it explodes is another question entirely.

    • CydeWeys 3 days ago

      It's a very minimal amount of pressure it can withstand, is the point. Certainly nowhere close to lethal explosive pressure. It's not a pressure vessel in the sense of the kind of pressure vessel it takes to make an effective bomb.