cloudwonderer 3 days ago

Israel is desperate to provoke? Hezbollah is bombing Israel since the October 7th attack. 300,000 refugees inside Israel because of this bombing. Who is provoking who ?

  • DSingularity 3 days ago

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    • cloudwonderer 3 days ago

      How is what you wrote about that Israel is desperate to provoke is related to Gaza ? Israel is defending itself against Hamas, Hezbollah and other Iranian allies since October 7th 2023. Why would Israel provoke Hezbollah? What's the point of it ?

rbanffy 3 days ago

We should avoid using the name of the country as a proxy for its current government. The people has nothing to do with this - this is all planned and executed under the auspices of the current prime minister and his associates.

Even though the people largely supports their agenda, an action that targets three people but affects 2,700 people as collateral damage would not pass by their parliament.

  • anigbrowl 3 days ago

    We should avoid using the name of the country as a proxy for its current government

    I understand your point but synecdoche is the oil on the gears of discourse. This required a lot of people's involvement, from those issuing the orders to technicians at the bottom of the chain of command. It's not Netanyahu's cabinet that did the work of placing explosive charges in thousands of compact devices and then repackaged and shrinkwrapped them.

    Obviously once could refer to the 'Netanyahu regime' or some other more specific term, but then someone else would complain that this was a mendacious mischaracterization of the country's political system or suchlike. To the extent that civilians there don't with to be identified with their political leadership or take on the moral responsibility for its decisions, they'd better step up their efforts to topple the government by means of a general strike or some other time-honored method.

  • wkat4242 3 days ago

    The people voted for this government.

    I do think we can hold Israel as a country responsible. But what we can't do is blame Jewish or even Israeli people in general. Though I don't see anyone doing this. The current government is always quick to draw the antisemitism card when being criticised but I never see anyone actually doing that.

    • ethbr1 3 days ago

      Voted for it at one point. Most of Netanyahu's recent actions are because he knows he'd be voted out in an election called today.

  • CaptainNegative 3 days ago

    Why would you assume this targeted three people? I assume the most likely scenario is that the attackers targeted as many Hezbollah members as they could, and were extremely successful at it.

    • rbanffy 3 days ago

      That's a very good point - if the goal was to disable comms and incapacitate as many targets as possible, then collateral damage numbers are much lower.

      It's unknown how many were family members of targeted individuals, and whatever the number actually is, it'll be misreported.

      • tptacek 3 days ago

        Why would the family members of a Hezbollah operative be carrying a pager tuned to Hezbollah's private communications network? A reminder that Hezbollah operates a parallel phone system, and is in many ways more sophisticated and organized than the de jure government of Lebanon, whose military forces Hezbollah outnumbers.

  • thisoneworks 3 days ago

    Since when did naming a country for their military action signify the opinion or inclination of the majority of civic population? When newspapers report on "country A did X" it almost always means their government did X. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

    • rightbyte 2 days ago

      It is some sort of dehumanization. Since it got into fashion, I've noticed some colleges started to refer to companies in China as 'China'. Like as if they are dealing with Xi when procuring washers.

    • rbanffy 3 days ago

      You are lumping together a population that doesn't necessarily agree with the actions. It creates negative attitudes towards citizens of that country (or people who look like citizens of that country).

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