Comment by doubleorseven

Comment by doubleorseven 3 days ago

14 replies

> If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

Technical? Yes it's interesting but you are missing the biggest part here: how do you convince such a huge organization to switch so many devices? This human engineering is the really interesting part here.

BillSaysThis 3 days ago

Hezbollah has said some time ago they were switching to pagers because Israel can get inside their cell phones.

  • cachvico 3 days ago

    With a statement like that one wonders if Hezbollah leadership itself has been infiltrated.

    • kspacewalk2 3 days ago

      Israel has an intelligence agency that's generally recognized to be quite competent. I'm sure it would have taken them approximately 5 minutes to learn from their many spies that a new form of communications is being used.

    • tptacek 3 days ago

      The IRGC itself has clearly and spectacularly infiltrated; read the details of the Haniyeh attack. So, yeah, at this point I don't think anyone in the IRGC network can trust anybody else. The messaging here is pretty intense.

    • grotorea 3 days ago

      Theoretically, pagers are simpler devices, meaning it would be much easier in principle to analyse both hardware and software to check for issues, unlike a mainstream phone OS which has a bigger software attack area and can have at least some zero day attacks known to a state level actor like Israel.

      Although, if it really was explosive inside the pagers it seems Hezbollah didn't do this.

    • axlee 3 days ago

      I mean Israel is behind Pegasus, so it's not exactly a secret that they can get into any cellphone. Israel didn't need to infiltrate Hezbollah, they just needed publicity.

      • londons_explore 3 days ago

        You can also find out what your target is using, find some exploits in it and publicize them, then offer a super good deal on an upgraded model.

  • jameshart 3 days ago

    If you’ve figured out how to get explosives into pagers, the next question is how do you get your enemy to buy a bunch of new pagers from you.

    They have to want new pagers in a hurry.

    So you just need to convince them that their phones are all already compromised.

    Note that this does not require that their phones actually be compromised.

    • doubleorseven 3 days ago

      Exactly. But this buyer is not a regular buyer, he is not getting a tracking number and refreshing some random website to see where it's shipment is. The buyer must have been with the goods from a point before it reached its destinated country. There are so many plays that had to play here in order to orcestrate this. Should make a really good heist movie, just with a different prize at the end.

    • detourdog 3 days ago

      You find where the pagers are coming from. They probably had a supply chain going to cycle through pagers. 2,700 pagers being replaced regularly is an easy target.