sudosysgen 3 days ago

This conflict has had a historically very notable property where civilian casualties are so much higher than military casualties as to be clearly anomalous.

  • tptacek 3 days ago

    Hezbollah is not Gaza, and they are not Hamas. This is not the same conflict.

    • sudosysgen 3 days ago

      According to Israel, it is the same conflict, but if you tally up civilian casualties from previous Israeli-Lebanon conflicts, you'll find a similar rate.

  • hadlock 3 days ago

    There's an alarming number of astute observations in this thread that are getting mysteriously flagged

  • daedrdev 3 days ago

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    • sudosysgen 3 days ago

      The ratio is at least as high in WW2, but only if you include war crimes and genocides. I think we can agree that WW2 featured notable and anomalous civilian casualties from the first industrial genocides, can't we?

      If you look more closely at the data, you'll see that Germany, for example, suffered 3.8 million civilian deaths and 5.5 million military deaths. This was after Germany was completely invaded, thus the fighting reached every city.

      The civilian-military death ratio in Gaza is, according to peer-reviewed independent estimates, at least 2:1, and that's if you assume that every male 18-60 is an enemy combatant. If you don't, you find a ratio of at least 4:1, with estimates mostly around 6-9:1. And this data is from before the collapse in infrastructure had time to really drive up the excess death count : https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...