Comment by nineplay

Comment by nineplay 2 months ago

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I think there's enough mental barrier's to deciding to read The Iliad and The Odyssey without a learned professor adding more. If I'd read this article first I would have never bothered attempting to read either. That would have been a great personal tragedy.

> I would recommend... reading a plot summary or abridged retelling of the epic you are planning to read before you begin.

Terrible advice for a potential reader. I'm not a student and don't need assigned pre-work.

I struggle with reading poetry, always have for whatever reason, and I suspect I'm not the only one. I'd tell anyone who was intimidated to read Samuel Butler’s prose version and to heck with anyone who's worried about whatever may be lost in translation.

The stories are wonderful. They're transporting. I've rarely felt so completely consumed by another world. I read The Aeneid when I was done because I wanted to keep that feeling alive.

Try a few different translations - go to the library or download sample chapters from amazon. Decide what works best for you. Read them purely for pleasure because they are wonderful.

jasode 2 months ago

>Terrible advice for a potential reader.

Your quotation left out the context of that advice which explains the reasoning. The paragraph before it states:

>, I would recommend familiarizing oneself with the main characters and the basic outline of the story. This may sound like strange advice, since readers of contemporary fiction are often accustomed to avoiding “spoilers,” but developing prior knowledge of the characters and story actually brings one closer to the experience of ancient audiences, who, as I have said, would have already known the broad outlines of the myths the epics tell before they went to a performance of them.

A rough analogy would be today's audiences already being familiar with comic superhero characters and stories like Superman, Wonder Woman, etc in DC Comics, or Spiderman, etc in the Marvel Universe -- before watching any of the movies about them. Sure, there might be a few in the audience who are totally oblivious to the background of the Superman mythology before the movie starts but for the most part, everybody is familiar with Clark Kent, kryptonite, and so on. (Cue up the famous Jay Leno skit of asking random people in the street, "what is the chemical composition of salt?", and they don't know to answer "sodium-chloride" ... but when he then asks "what's the name of the rock that hurts Superman?" and they immediately say "Oh, that's kryptonite!")

The idea is to bring that level of cultural knowledge into the reader's brain before reading Iliad/Odyssey.

bee_rider 2 months ago

I read the Illiad in high school, but as far as I remember it was mostly just lists of so-and-so from such-and-such fought this other guy.

Spoiler alert for thousand year old book: Then the hero gets killed by the invincible brat and dragged around the city a bunch of times (Hector, he’s obviously the hero, normal guy defending his home against a bunch of jumped up god-empowered jerks, trying to prevent this silly Paris/Everybody else spat from inflicting itself on everybody else).

Sad story.

  • nineplay 2 months ago

    If it were a modern book we wouldn't talk about it in terms of story, we'd talk about it in terms of world building. A world where gods and goddesses exists and directly influence humanity. A world with great heroes and kings and warriors and battles. A world where everyone is pretty flawed and its frankly pretty hilarious - Achilles pouting and kicking his heels is one of the funniest plots in western literature.

    Any story anywhere can be stripped to 'x does y and then z'.