Comment by pcl

Comment by pcl 3 days ago

Let’s assume you accurately determine which thousand pagers are going to which people, and that you accurately determine which thousand are Evil Hezbollah Members and definitely not someone’s cousin or whatever.

Regardless of these (tenuous) assumptions, if you detonate a thousand small bombs, it seems fair to also assume that some of them might not be on the bodies of their intended targets, but rather outside on the counter by the shower or over by the car keys or something.

So no, I’d say this is a pretty tough sort of operation to justify.

xenospn 3 days ago

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lm28469 3 days ago

That's a lot of assumptions you probably have no sources to back up

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- xenospn 3 days ago
  
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piva00 3 days ago

There's a video of one that detonated inside a dresser, in someone's room. If there were thousands of those explosive devices some of them are inevitably, statistically speaking, not going to be with the intended target.

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meepmorp 3 days ago

People routinely leave guns in Walmart bathrooms. Leaving the top secret hezbollahpager on the counter is eminently believable.

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- simoncion 3 days ago
  
  The pager isn't top secret.
  Pagers employ unencrypted communications and (because they are receive-only devices) use a broadcast system to deliver messages to the pager. [0] Israel is publicly very, very friendly with at least one very wealthy Five Eyes country, and may have less-public support from many other wealthy and technologically sophisticated countries. If Israel happened to not have the domestically-developed capability to get a copy of every single page sent in an area of interest, they could ask their good buddies at the NSA, CIA, or other such global intelligence agencies to shunt that information to them in a timely manner.
  Given the organization's sophistication, there is absolutely no way that Hezbollah believes that the contents of their pages are secret. The worst-case outcome of a lost pager is that the organization temporarily loses convenient contact to the person at the other end of that pager. While this could potentially be operationally disastrous, it's more like losing your service weapon than it is leaving the plans for D-Day on a public bus.
  [0] <https://computer.rip/2020-12-15-weird-wireless.html>
  
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- xenospn 3 days ago
  
  These are not some random rednecks at a west Virginia Walmart. They're professional soldiers of a military organizations handling a secure communications device.
  Not sure if you've ever been in the military, but when I was there, if I had left a secure device or my gun somewhere out of sight/reach and someone else got to it, I'd get in a ton of trouble and probably go to prison.
  
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CydeWeys 3 days ago

It's war. Much worse things have been happening in this war already (e.g. Hezbollah explicitly targeting Israeli residential areas and killing civilians). By contrast this action seems much more targeted and justifiable.

If your bar for taking action is "there can't even be a chance of hurting a civilian", then your army can't do anything, and your entire civilian populace is slaughtered when it's taken over by the enemy intent on destroying your country.

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