Comment by ssl-3

Comment by ssl-3 3 days ago

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I parsed that as:

"If anyone has an office in a building, then everyone must have an office in that building and must be forced to work there."

And I just don't follow that. Why must it be this way? So that the office is full?

If so, then: If having the office full every day is an important metric and WfH interferes with that metric, then the problem is not that the people make choices.

Instead, it is that the office is larger than it should be.

saghm 3 days ago

> Instead, it is that the office is larger than it should be.

Yep, but rather than admit that having too big an office is a mistake, they double down on it and try to force employees back into the offices. For a certain type of personality, pushing the negative ramifications down to subordinates is easier than admitting that they need to solve the actual problem.

  • philwelch 3 days ago

    The problem is literal vested interests in commercial real estate. Not just in the sense that the company itself owns their offices, but many of the local businesses around those offices are popular investments for upper management. (Amazon in particular isn’t a free-lunch workplace, so at least when I was there, there were tons of lunch spots scattered amidst the Amazon campus.) If people don’t RTO, a lot of money stands to be lost, especially since Amazon was investing heavily in both their expanded Seattle campus in the Denny Triangle and HQ2 when COVID hit.

consteval 3 days ago

I would agree, but I have to ask: where's the cutoff?

If you let people "choose" and 99% choose to always work from home, do you think that's gonna fly? I don't. I think the in-officers would be very upset about that because that's not enough people to make their in-office experience how they like it.

No matter how you slice it, such a position is one born of control. You have to force some people's hand in where they work.

  • ssl-3 3 days ago

    Perhaps extroverts who can only thrive when in the company of others should stick with careers that require the company of others, instead of those careers that can be accomplished hundreds of kilometers from society (in a cabin in the woods).

    • MiguelX413 3 days ago

      Why should I have to work from home just because I like engineering?

      • munk-a 20 hours ago

        Because it wastes a lot of money catering to extrovert inclinations.

        If 10% of the workforce loves pizza and the other 90% is lactose intolerant should we order pizza for the office every day and just let 90% of it go to waste? This is only really a discussion because working in an office was the norm for so long.

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      • danudey 3 days ago

        Why should I have to work from the office just because other people would like to?

        • MiguelX413 3 days ago

          I don't think you should. I just think that the in-between is quite worthless. Why not have fully WFH and full RTO companies for people to choose from according to their preferences? I realize that's not the subject matter of the article.

      • ssl-3 3 days ago

        Why should the world of commerce and industry never do anything else other than cater to one subset's need to be amongst people at work?

        "I need to have people around me to do my best work, and you are going to be one of them -- no matter how much that fucks you up."