Comment by gizajob

Comment by gizajob 10 months ago

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If you’re not completely driven to write a book, and there isn’t a book inside you that you just have to get out, then do not bother writing a book. Agents and publishers have nothing to do with it - you don’t need to ask for permission to write your book, it’s a piece of art. Agents and publishing come afterwards - and nobody is going to be interested really anyway, at least in the early stages. So if that is enough to make you confused about writing your book or makes you not want to bother, then don’t write your book. If you still have to write a book, you’ll love doing it despite the difficulty and futility, because the person who enjoys it the most will be you anyway.

a_bonobo 10 months ago

I've heard this many times before (I think Charles Bukowski used to preach this?), and I have to say I disagree. Famously Douglas Adams had to be forced to write every sentence in the Hitchhiker's Guide. He certainly didn't have a book inside him that had to get out, he had external deadlines and rent to pay. Can you imagine a world without HGTTG?

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  • gizajob 10 months ago

    What happens when you walk up to a publishing agent and tell them you don’t have anything to show them, and they’ll need to force you to write every sentence but assure them it’ll be brilliant?

    I think you’re also talking about one of Adams’ later books after HHGTG once his publisher was deep in hock for his advance.

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    • modernerd 10 months ago

      > What happens when you walk up to a publishing agent and tell them you don’t have anything to show them…

      They told him to hand over whatever he'd got:

      "Douglas happily built his reputation for (at this stage, merely) sailing close to the wind when it came to publishing deadlines by telling interviewers that he had been ordered to literally stop writing and hand his manuscript over to a courier no matter where he had got to…"

      — The Frood: The Authorised and Very Official History of Douglas Adams and The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Jem Roberts"

      He was famous for scraping or missing deadlines from the very start, and openly admitted to it:

      "All of my life I've been attracted to the idea of being a writer, but like all writers I don't so much like writing as having written. … each time I meant to try to write something, I'd miss the deadline by two weeks."

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      • taptak 10 months ago

        > "All of my life I've been attracted to the idea of being a writer, but like all writers I don't so much like writing as having written. … each time I meant to try to write something, I'd miss the deadline by two weeks."

        Having written several works without ever completing or publishing any of them, I find this comment from Adams particularly resonates with me. That said, I’ve had success with a narrative podcast, which is heavily influenced by his genius—his wit and comedic writing style shine through. While I’ve always admired what he brought to the sci-fi comedy genre, in hindsight, I probably owe just as much gratitude to his editor and publisher.

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      • gizajob 10 months ago

        My point was that you're not Douglas Adams and don't already have a degree of success. What happens when you try it?

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  • sundarurfriend 10 months ago

    > Can you imagine a world without HGTTG?

    Yes. Maybe an unpopular opinion here, but the book form of HGTTG is a mess. You can tell that it was converted from an episodic weekly-gag-based radio show into written form with very little effort to make it into a coherent whole. It's popular because it has brilliant one-liners, but as a book it's not nearly as good as its popularity would suggest.

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    • ghaff 10 months ago

      Adaptations of loosely-connected episodic material to book form is tough even with editing. I did it once and it didn't really work very well. Look at most compilations of newspaper columns too.

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      • saalweachter 10 months ago

        You actually see something similar today with web serials.

        An author starts a story, writes a few chapters, and then presents it to the Internet. They acquire a following, and keep putting up chapters.

        But even if they start with a solid outline and a world building bible and a binder full of character secrets, the story rarely follows a smooth plot arc -- they have new ideas as they write, and some things don't work the way they'd hoped, and maybe they are not sure how to move from point A to B and spend a few weeks putting up chapters where both they and their characters go in circles for a bit.

        And then it's finished, the next logical step is to republish it as a book. They could treat the web serial as a first draft, and rewrite it now that they have the whole thing figured out. Throw away some of the meandering, save a few disjointed chapters for short story anthologies, fix some of the character drift that isn't development, drop the plot lines you never finished, and add a bit more foreshadowing to the early chapters for things they didn't figure out until later.

        But well, the book's already been published, right? And people liked it well enough? So why write the same book twice, and not just clean up the spelling and grammatical mistakes and publish it as is?

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  • itsoktocry 10 months ago

    >Famously Douglas Adams had to be forced to write every sentence in the Hitchhiker's Guide. He certainly didn't have a book inside him that had to get out, he had external deadlines and rent to pay.

    The book was written 45 years ago, an entirely different media market, was based of a story he had already developed for radio, and we have no idea if this anecdote is apocryphal.

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  • physicsguy 10 months ago

    HHTG was an odd one since he was adapting existing material (the radio series) to a novel form.

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    • hug 10 months ago

      I have nothing to add to the conversation but love the continual degrading of coherency with the acronym used.

      Next comment someone please call it HGGHT.

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      • gizajob 10 months ago

        Using Vogon poetry

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        • bryanrasmussen 10 months ago

          HGGHT

          Is bureaucratically

          Not Exact enough you see

          ----------------------

          We will be denying

          your acronym

          and you will be dying

          Just like him

          did.

          on edit: HN formatting is in violation of several rules and will be punished.

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  • MetaWhirledPeas 10 months ago

    > I disagree. Famously Douglas Adams had to be forced to write every sentence

    Who says we all need to be Douglas Adams? If the book is only for you then the bar is very low.

    With creativity there's an overlap between creating for oneself and creating for others. You might start with the former but end up craving the latter. But most people creating things don't require validation from others; it would just be nice.

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  • _fizz_buzz_ 10 months ago

    You are most likely not Douglas Adams though. He was obviously incredibly gifted and good at what he did. 99.9% of people will not be that talented.

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    • plewd 10 months ago

      So 0.1% of people who don't have a burning desire for it should still write a book, which seems like a large amount of people to me.

      And there's not really a way to know if you're gifted and talented at writing, so just go for it anyways. Your appeal to exception falls flat because there's no reason why there can't be another one.

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      • beacon294 10 months ago

        That's like 3 million missed books in the US alone. I agree with the argument, though. And the number may be reasonable.

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MrMikardo93 10 months ago

I believe Virginia Woolf wrote, "I write only for my own pleasure. I write to give myself pleasure." Which pretty much encapsulates this.

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