Comment by nullc

Comment by nullc 3 days ago

11 replies

Integrity is as much about the kind of person you want to be as it is about the beneficiary of your treatment.

Don't sell yourself short.

immibis 3 days ago

Be a person who treats others a little better than they treat you.

Be a person who isn't fooled into thinking corporations are people.

  • mplewis 3 days ago

    Corporations are not people. They do not have feelings. You do not need to be nice to them.

    • nullc 2 days ago

      A persons conduct says more about their character in situations when they don't need to be nice, when there won't even be any consequence for not being nice.

      One could prompt their local LLM with some psychopathic verbal abuse-- "Do it or I drill a hole in your skull!!!" -- you don't need to be nice to the LLM, it doesn't have feelings or memory, etc. The LLM doesn't deserve your kindness or benefit from it. But if you do this often can you really be sure that it will have no effect on how you treat people, or how you think of yourself?

      And corporations are a lot more human than some LLM-- they're made of people, they pay people, they buy from people, they're owned by people. Abusing them can harm people, though, sure it doesn't always. You can't always tell when it will harm people, and your reasoning may not be the most unbiased when your own personal benefit is on the other side of the equation.

      But even if it didn't matter, that no humans would be hurt. Do you want to push yourself towards the kind of person who will behave in an exploitive way when they can get away with it? Or do you want to be the kind of person who is confident enough in their own merit that they can play life on a slightly harder mode and walk past 'opportunities' that are less obviously upstanding?

      People constantly set goals for themselves that go above and beyond what is required of them because it helps develop their skill, their character, or because their wiliness to face the challenge forms part of their identity.

      In any case, I'm not judging anyone here-- just offering a different perspective.

tivert 3 days ago

There's not much integrity in being a sucker.

  • denkmoon 3 days ago

    However it's not a boolean choice, since OP has a third option: change workplace. Which is exactly what they are seeking to do and demonstrates their integrity.

  • SavageBeast 3 days ago

    When theres money on the table you don't have any friends.

    • tivert 3 days ago

      > When theres money on the table you don't have any friends.

      That's taking it way too far.

      I think the important factor is the kind of relationship involved, specifically how does a modern corporation like Amazon view its relationship with you. I'd argue that it's fundamentally sociopathic and exploitative, so it doesn't deserve anything better than what it gives.

      Individuals and different kinds of organizations can be deserving of your integrity.

threatofrain 3 days ago

Integrity is about moral vision. Either your moral vision will become moral reality or it will become moral wishfulness. Reality is how you hold your morality accountable as something more than a story you tell yourself.

So on the moral realities of Amazon...

matsemann 3 days ago

One could argue that the integrity was already lost when they accepted money in exchange for work for a company like Amazon.

  • immibis 3 days ago

    As long as the money is worth more than the work, draining Amazon of its savings is arguably a moral good.