Comment by vikingerik

Comment by vikingerik 4 days ago

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Well, the other outcome: it's moot because the employers don't have enough teeth to enforce the mandates.

They're not firing workers who simply ignore the mandates and continue to work remotely anyway. Cutting workers with institutional knowledge and experience is a bigger loss than whatever lesser productivity there might be from not being in-person. Workers actually have the upper hand here and they're using it.

It's like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy - the companies are saying "I declare RTO" but nothing happens.

ryandrake 4 days ago

I seem to remember quite a few examples posted to HN over the past few years of companies "declaring RTO" and then finding that rank-and-file employees largely just ignored it, and the companies never did anything about it because they can't fire everyone.

"I declare RTO" can only work if you have critical enough mass of employees who believe the bluff and actually come into the office. This is definitely an area where a workforce that is organized and works together could hold out forever, but the tech worker mantra is "unions bad" so collective action is difficult.

Ferret7446 4 days ago

> They're not firing workers who simply ignore the mandates

Citation needed. They may not be literally firing people for simply ignoring the mandates, but they sure as hell putting a mark on your performance record (at least at one big tech company).

IIUC one of the reasons for the original RTO mandates was to get people to leave (either willingly or through perf review pressure).