Comment by arunabha

Comment by arunabha 4 days ago

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The cognitive dissonance from the CEO class is astonishing. From the article

'“We’ve observed that it’s easier for our teammates to learn, model, practice, and strengthen our culture; collaborating, brainstorming, and inventing are simpler and more effective; teaching and learning from one another are more seamless; and, teams tend to be better connected to one another,” Jassy said in the message.'

This, just a couple of years after they were falling over themselves touting the productivity of WFH.

kingnothing 4 days ago

I've worked full time remote for over a decade, with most of that as an IC but several years in management as well. It really depends on who the teammates are in the quote. You can definitely get more focus work done in a quiet environment free from distractions, such as at home. But that comes at a pretty big sacrifice for the type of collaboration that higher level ICs (Staff+) and managers often, but not always, need to do.

Think things like quarterly and annual planning, or getting a group of cross-team engineers together for a day or a week with a whiteboard to design a new system or major improvements. Miro exists for virtual whiteboarding, and I successfully use it all the time, but for big planning I would much rather do that in person.

If you move further up the chain to the level of VPs and Execs, their entire job basically consists of attending meetings to solve problems other people can't. For them, they probably would heavily prefer working in person.

My preference is working at home with quarterly week-long trips to the office -- it's historically the best for me and I'd recommend it to anyone wherever possible.

tootie 4 days ago

Doesn't Amazon also have offices all over the world plus remote consultants and contractors? My last year of pre-pandemic work (not Amazon) I spent working from NYC for a client in the Midwest, with developers in South America and an account team on the west coast. Executives were so proud they could staff teams from anywhere on anything to maximize labor utilization and reduce costs. I would go to the office and see none of my team. This was considered peak collaboration. I would WFH whenever I felt like it because nobody would notice. Now all of a sudden we have to be together again.

  • agentultra 4 days ago

    I find WFH policies go through cycles between all-remote to always-office.

    Three factors I suspect contribute to this:

    1. execs/management are completely disconnected from the product of the labour they “manage.”

    2. Greener-pastures effect.

    3. Management attrition

    Together, you have a class of people who aren’t involved in production telling everyone how to do their work. In one generation that is stuck in-office all the time they want WFH. So they work towards it and eventually we get to the pro-remote end of the cycle. Managers/execs get promoted or move on and eventually… the grass starts looking greener on the RTO side of the cycle. A new generation of managers starts working towards that.

    All of this happens in the context of capital and interest rates. Lower rates and cheap property tends to favour WFH sensitive managers. High rates and expensive property favours RTO.

ghaff 4 days ago

I actually think that's generally true. But a lot of workers are distributed anyway. And, with the pandemic, a lot of additional people became even more distributed and many CEOs ended up shrugging their shoulders about a great deal of co-located work being gone for good even if they didn't really like it. That's more or less what happened where I used to work.

Past some point, what are you going to do? Fire half+ of your workforce?

jppope 4 days ago

Its obviously not about productivity. We all know WFH is more productive (for people like who amazon hires)

  • wwarner 4 days ago

    please prove this. i am now committed to wfh, yet to set and reach important milestones i have to buckle down and focus in the office.

    • bbqfog 4 days ago

      Many very productive people will not work in an office at all, thus harming productivity. When you're remote, you can hire the best.

    • patch_cable 4 days ago

      I would also be interested to know how true this is for individual productivity versus group productivity.

    • karmakurtisaani 4 days ago

      There is no way to prove this and you know it. However I can tell you I'm orders of magnitude happier working from home, and that makes me a better employee overall. I'm not driven by stress and resentment, but actual will to improve things and deliver.