Comment by taurath

Comment by taurath 4 days ago

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> Maybe some trauma really is needed in your childhood to produce more drive.

No. You’re missing the people who don’t post on here, which are those who have died, those who are suffering too much to spend time here. This is a high privilege forum on average, and that there are success stories doesn’t mean it’s somehow good. Ask any one of us what we thought we could have achieved with a supportive “good enough” childhood and often you’ll get tears.

There are very few material benefits for people who climb out of holes, even if they’ve had to go twice as far as the person next to them. A deeper sense of peace or contentment, maybe. But most will compare a 40 year old who’s driven their way out fully out of hell and a 25 year old ready to see how high they can go and choose the one with more runway and less desire to care for themselves.

ninetyninenine 4 days ago

>No. You’re missing the people who don’t post on here, which are those who have died, those who are suffering too much to spend time here. This is a high privilege forum on average, and that there are success stories doesn’t mean it’s somehow good. Ask any one of us what we thought we could have achieved with a supportive “good enough” childhood and often you’ll get tears.

So you say. I still want data to back that up. What's the distribution? I probably can't get a value about how good people with an ACE of zero ended up.

But I can see a distribution and thus I can see which ACE number is at the tip top of the curve.

  • taurath 4 days ago

    I’m going to have to ask you to google it or have GPT summarize it for you as it’s readily available.

    • ninetyninenine 4 days ago

      Sure. But your statement alone without evidence at face value looks like something you just intuited without proof and out of thin air.

      Hence it was reasonable to ask.

      • taurath 3 days ago

        Some trauma can make for focus and push. Most everyone has some amount of trauma just for existing. Higher ACE scores correlate with much lower life expectancy and worse outcomes, far higher rates of suicide, mental illness, substance abuse.

        It may make for extremely driven people! Maybe many of the people with the most drive get it from a reaction to trauma. That doesn’t mean that the average person does better with trauma though.

        Check the CDC site on ACEs. Or almost any other site. The data is astoundingly clear.