gradus_ad 5 days ago

Not really. It was about preventing CCP control of information.

  • Cyph0n 5 days ago

    The CCP angle is the PR version. From last year: https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2024/05/06/senato...

    Note that there have been multiple instances over the past two years of high level ex/current officials repeating the same general point.

    • palmotea 5 days ago

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      • Cyph0n 5 days ago

        It’s January. My bad for not being as infallible as you are.

        That’s not what Romney said. His - and the wider establishment’s - concern is that unsanctioned content is allowed to be treated the same as any other content.

        Anyone knows that TikTok simply tailors your feed to your interests & interactions. But even this is not acceptable when it comes to topics the establishment doesn’t want disseminated.

        And if they had undeniable proof that TikTok was boosting/manipulating such content, why haven’t they revealed it now that TikTok US is under US control?

        But it’s okay to not be concerned. Just don’t come crying when the book burning starts.

DoneWithAllThat 5 days ago

You have no evidence that this is true and it sounds like a para kid conspiracy theory from the depths of the worst subreddits. Stop being silly.

imgabe 5 days ago

Of course, because TikTok is the only way people in the US can access information.

  • SilverBirch 5 days ago

    No, they also access information through Facebook owned by Trump ally Zuckerberg, X owned by Trump doner and DOGE former official Musk, or via media organisations like CBS who have recently had their editorial standards changed to be more friendly to the regime. It's fine though people can here about the regime through neutral pundits like Jimmy Kimmel, who definitely hasn't come under any pressure to comply with the regime talking points. It's alright we've got NPR, which is definitely not under attack.

    If you haven't noticed a sweeping attack on free speech in US media, then I just don't think you're paying attention, and playing it off as if it's "just" Tiktok is at best disingenuous.

    • _DeadFred_ 5 days ago

      We were so naive in the 2000s. 'Tech will democratize everything' forgetting they will just flood us with bullshit so that nothing means anything.

      • jimt1234 5 days ago

        Back in the late-90s, I was watching a panel on CNN discussing the new "information age". Everyone talked optimistically about how the internet was gonna benefit humanity because people would be better informed - only the best information would make its way to the top, all the crap would be filtered out. But there was one naysayer, and I'll never forget what he said: More information is not better information. Others on the panel couldn't believe his cynicism; said he didn't understand people. I think about that a lot these days.

      • SilverBirch 5 days ago

        Well isn't it interesting that at the same time that these social media platforms were getting off the ground, the VC class decided founder control was super important and now essentially all of the biggest companies in the world are in the sole control of men who do questionable activies on islands in the Caribbean.

        Now you wonder what these companies are doing to shape events, and the answer is that Tim Cook is attending a private showing of a PR project for the wife of the president premiering on a competing streaming network whilst people hold vigils for the people that the regime has murdered.

      • imgabe 5 days ago

        You flooded yourselves with bullshit. The people yearn for bullshit. Always have.

    • imgabe 5 days ago

      100,000 protestors and not a single one can upload a video to a CDN and throw up a static page with an HTML5 player?

      Sucks to suck, I guess.

      • SilverBirch 5 days ago

        A CDN, a static HTML5 player and a very good lawyer for when the DOJ comes knocking, like they did with Hannah Natanson, Jacob Frey and Tim Walz.

        You'd do that I guess, right, if you saw something happening you thought was bad - you'd run straight into a legal fight that could bankrupt you? Nah, you're a tough guy on the internet! Nothing scares you!

        • imgabe 4 days ago

          If they were going to bankrupt you with a legal fight, how would posting the video on Tiktok help? Do you think Tiktok is going to assume the liability for what you post? Because they aren't.

    • mrexcess 5 days ago

      >I just don't think you're paying attention

      Alternate explanation: they are paying intense attention... to the palms that are pressed desperately against their eye sockets as they attempt to See No Evil.

gruez 5 days ago

>is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

Are we talking about the Trump administration or the Biden administration? The current ban was passed under Biden with supermajorities in both houses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_ban_TikTok_in_the_U...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Fore...

  • pshirshov 5 days ago

    How can that be that during any single administration there always are bipartisan votes in favor of digital surveillance and censorship, oh, I mean online protection for kids and puppies? Pure coincidence I think.

    Boden's good, Grump's bad, simple as that. Or Grump's good, Boden's bad doesn't matter.

    • direwolf20 5 days ago

      One is clearly worse than the other on some issues — only one of them executed US citizens in the street for protesting, during both terms.

      • pshirshov 5 days ago

        Choose your alignment wisely! You can only serve the Good or the Evil!

  • throwforfeds 5 days ago

    Both.

    I'm not sure why the meme on the right is that the left wants to protect Biden or anyone else. Who cares, they all can come crashing down.

    • gruez 5 days ago

      >I'm not sure why the meme on the right is that the left wants to protect Biden or anyone else.

      No, the point isn't "protecting Biden", it's pure self interest. Tiktok is a social media platform that's very popular with Democrat's electorate and is already left leaning. Why risk it falling into the other party's control (especially near the end of Biden's term), just so you can maybe push more left leaning talking points?

      • wat10000 5 days ago

        Because the concept of limiting state power for when the other side takes power is not in the American political vocabulary.

  • desolate_muffin 5 days ago

    I am not sure. I think we're talking about the one where Trump illegally and unilaterally ignored the sale or de-list deadline passed in said bipartisan bill so he could figure out which Trump loyalists would be taking over. I'm glad they finally got it sorted out a little over a year after the January 19, 2025 deadline in the bill.

  • duskdozer 5 days ago

    I think you'll find that pro-privacy, anti-right-wing people often don't have the highest opinion of "their" guy

  • wat10000 5 days ago

    The current nonsense has been enabled by decades of overreach. A small minority kept saying, this stuff is going to be really bad if a bad guy takes power. Well, guess what happened.

    • asadotzler 5 days ago

      The bad guys would have done it anyway. That's the important part. "Good guys shouldn't make tools because bad guys might (or will) use them" isn't how we should operate. No more should we say "the [internet|source code|pen testing tools|etc] could be used by bad guys so good guys shouldn't have it."

      • wat10000 5 days ago

        If by "tools" you mean technology or physical infrastructure, I largely agree.

        But I'm talking about political tools. Breaking down the norms about how power is supposed to be wielded. Concentrating more and more power in the executive because Congress would rather be powerless and blameless than have responsibility.

        For example, giving the President the power to set tariffs was done with the understanding that the President would use this power wisely in an actual national emergency. That created a political tool. Now we have a deeply unwise President who declared a nonsense national emergency and is playing havoc with trade using this tool. If the tool hadn't been created then I don't think we'd have that problem. I doubt Congress would be willing to pass sweeping emergency powers in an environment where there is no emergency and no need for those powers. And there was never a need for those powers. Tariffs don't need to be enacted so rapidly that they can't wait for Congress to convene and pass a law.

        In this case, we've created a political tool giving the President broad power to interfere in a specific private business. It's no surprise if that tool gets abused, and it was completely unnecessary to begin with.

        So I'd phrase it as: "Good guys shouldn't make political tools that are far more powerful than they need to be assuming that they'll be used wisely, because bad guys will happily use the full power of those tools."

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  • justonceokay 5 days ago

    Why is it always a blame game? What dos that accomplish? There’s no “good guy” administrations. There’s just realpolitik. The current iteration of ICE is an outgrowth of the Obama admin, as is the problem with billionaires in politics. Biden put a target on Maduro's head before leaving office (continuing to fill a multi-administration powder keg re: Venezuela). Trump just had the panache to brazenly do the deed instead of waiting for the next guy to do it. Horrible? yes. Unprecedented? Hardly.

    Now I’m not saying things are inevitable. Trump has a bull-in-china-shop mentality. But he is only being manipulated to set the same agenda, just faster than any president in living memory.

    • JKCalhoun 5 days ago

      "The current iteration of ICE…"

      Just murdered two protestors. A bit of a change there.

    • hbarka 5 days ago

      //

      • justonceokay 5 days ago

        Maybe. I just find most “which administration really started XYZ” discussions are a way for people to feel better about their affiliations. Because ‘cause’ and ‘effect’ are continuous and not an inherent property of things, it is always possible to construct a causal chain that happens to start wherever convenient for your rhetorical purposes.

  • saubeidl 5 days ago

    The Democrats always have been nothing but controlled opposition, designed to give you the illusion of choice.

andsoitis 5 days ago

> hiding information from the US public

It is literally on the front page of news papers....

Also, you can see it on Instagram, X, etc.

Even a cursory search on TikTok reveals anti-ICE content...

  • hairofadog 5 days ago

    TikTok is hugely influential, and the younger people they're trying to influence don't read newspapers and don't hang out on X or Instagram (both of which also censor certain political content).

    https://www.npr.org/2024/03/26/1240737627/meta-limit-politic...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimistsUnite/comments/1i9zf5u/rco...

    https://arxiv.org/html/2508.13375v1

    • andsoitis 5 days ago

      I am willing to bet that the vast majority of young people are very much aware of what ICE has been doing. Do you believe otherwise?

      • Forgeties79 5 days ago

        Surely you know how things work at scale.

        If you introduce friction with something that millions or more use, a few % peeling off or missing things means tens of thousands of people are impacted. And tiktok has a hell of a lot more than a million users.

        I still don’t get what you’re trying to say or why you’re downplaying this.

      • datsci_est_2015 5 days ago

        I didn’t realize that TikTok retroactively wiped every young person’s brains of the content they watched over the past months as well!

      • hairofadog 5 days ago

        The question isn't whether they've been successful in hiding information. It's whether their goal is to hide information (or I would say, to control the narrative), which it clearly is.

        This is why the administration has gone out of its way to try to get Kimmel and Colbert off the air, why it has commandeered CBS and tried to kill 60 minutes pieces critical of the administration, why it violated the law in order to keep TikTok (already fervently pro-Trump) up and running, and why allies of the administration have been put in charge of TikTok after the transition. It's why Bezos is slowly strangling the Washington Post, why Patrick Soon-Shiong is doing the same to the LA Times, and why the administration is putting their thumb on the scale for Paramount, rather than Netflix, to buy Warner Brothers Discovery (which owns CNN). It's why Musk bought Twitter. It's why they blatantly lie in their press conferences and statements to the media about how the ICE killings happened.

        If you walked into a Turning-Point USA meeting in a high school, do you think the kids attending that meeting could accurately tell you what ICE has been doing? I don't.