sandspar 2 days ago

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  • 7373737373 2 days ago

    Are you assuming bias/opinion is one-dimensional and the "median American" stands for the Truth?

  • ks2048 2 days ago

    NPR is left {{Citation needed}} [1]

    [1] outside of identity politics

    • sandspar 2 days ago

      This will sound rude but I mean it respectfully. If you believe NPR is not left leaning then you are in a severe filter bubble and may want to update your news diet.

      • ks2048 2 days ago

        Point taken, but I think my comment is a reflection of the problems with the modern use of "left" and "right".

        Yes, of course NPR is more on the side of democrats than republicans.

        But, it is very much pro-business, and often pro-war status quo ("right"). And, as I mentioned ("identity politics"), also very much pro-diversity in race/gender/etc. ("left").

        So, IMHO, very much "centrist", not "left" (except on race/sex/gender).

  • ks2048 2 days ago

    If the median American thought the Earth was flat, should it treat that as a valid theory?

    • sandspar 2 days ago

      If only if were that easy. American politics is mostly fought over interpretations, not simple facts.

  • rgbrenner 2 days ago

    ok but what’s the crime?

    also english wikipedia is actually for english speakers.. so it includes countries that aren’t america. there’s a reason they didn’t name it american wikipedia.

    • sandspar 2 days ago

      Yeah I agree there doesn't seem to be a crime. I was addressing the tone of the comment thread.

  • ddxv 2 days ago

    Yes, I do believe that the majority of Wikipedia articles are unbiased in that people spend their time and effort trying to find the most neutral and fact based way of discussing a topic.

focusgroup0 2 days ago

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  • darknavi 2 days ago

    I don't understand, the revenue and expenses seem relatively close most years and they seem to have a cash reserve for a little more than a year. What's not non-profit about that?

    I'd buy an argument if you looked at executive payout or something along those lines.

aingling 2 days ago

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  • adipose 2 days ago

    Can you give particular examples of the particular worldview that they are trying to push?

  • alganet 2 days ago

    They (those worried about commie political bias) could do their own public digital university and social media websites. Instead of being free, they could charge a fee that would both serve to repel the freetards and fund the project.

    Oh shit! That happened already, didn't it? How is it going at attracting talented individuals?

    We should remember that anti-wikipedia propaganda exists for decades now. Despite of that, it is a place cherished by many (including non commies). Its demise would be a public disaster.

    Hoarders will maintain copies of it. And if there is bias, there will be tons of biased bootlegs around.

    Further investigation would be more wise than rapid decisions by instinct.

alganet 2 days ago

It sounds weird. Why does it look like a conspiracy theory?

Yo dawg, I heard you like to appeal to conspiracy theory types...

Why would someone introduce lots of seemingly indiscernible edits into important articles, fully knowing that the edit history is available to anyone who wants to look?

It would make more sense to spread propaganda in a place that doesn't fully track it.

Unless the exposition of such tracking edits as an obvious smoking gun exists to be staged to look like someone else did it.

Of course, it could all be to trigger a recursive conspiracytheorypocallipse that further erodes any belief in community generated content.

What should we do, Master Anakin? There's too many of them conspiracies.

firesteelrain 2 days ago

Wikipedia/Wikimedia could move to a country that allows this type of manipulation on their platform or figure out how to comply with the existing US law.

Wikipedia could also stop operating as a 501c3 and incorporate.

But the typical out for these organizations are that they are not responsible for what people post. I don’t feel like that is very responsible. They already have moderation on the platform.

But Wikimedia/pedia can’t claim 501c3 status. It could spin off the political content/controversial into 501c4 which has more leeway. It can tighten editorial controls, emphasize first amendment, look at Section 230. Publish reports showing how misinformation is identified and corrected, partner with fact checking organizations.

But also if they cannot police their own content without an unpaid army of volunteers then herein lies the bigger issue with their model.

  • blibble 2 days ago

    or they could move to a country that respects the rule of law and continue operating as they do at present

    may I suggest Switzerland

    • firesteelrain 2 days ago

      It’s not about that. It’s about tax avoidance. By saying they are 501c3, there are rules and laws they must follow or risk losing their 501c3 status. Now that they have been put on notice, it’s important for them to tighten up

unyttigfjelltol 2 days ago

Nearly everyone has a viewpoint and taking the time to contribute is a strong clue the viewpoint is deeply-felt. Some people primarily adopt the Wikipedia rules as their viewpoint, but in hotly debated social issues like (oh, pick one out of a hat) the Covid-19 crisis and origin investigation-- Wikipedia is drowned in other viewpoints, and, because administrators mosly are alike, substantive groupthink.

I'm impressed by Wikipedia's efforts to root out "abuse" but in the end it's all a contest over truth, and Wikipedia fails in precisely the dynamic, high-interest, high-consequence topics that users seek out on the site.